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Post by whitfang on Aug 16, 2012 10:57:30 GMT -5
I SURE do NOT like the new requirement that 144 sq in of hunter orange be put on each side of an occupied artificial ground blind. AND the DNR exempts the orange 'caps' that go on the roof of a ground blind from satisfying the regulation, probably just because those are currently manufactured and easily bought and installed. I have NOT seen a company who makes four removable orange flags that attach to each side of a blind. This sounds like the DNR was just mad over the outcry over the first round of deer regulations and decided they should make a good percentage of hunter's blinds obsolete. And at the same time, the DNR creates a good ticketing opportunity upon hunters! REPEAL THIS REGULATION!!!
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Post by Decatur on Aug 16, 2012 11:16:43 GMT -5
No, I think it's good. Just go to Wall-Mart and buy enough blaze orange material, cut to required size, and apply velcro. That way you can use it for more than one blind, and it keeps your blind out of sight when not in use.
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Post by barogers2 on Aug 16, 2012 11:17:19 GMT -5
blind-n-site.com/ this place sells things that make it easy to add and remove the orange from your blind and theyre fairly cheap
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 11:25:08 GMT -5
I'd rig up a pole of some sort and use one piece of 12" by 12" cloth that can be seen in any direction on the top of the blind. A little ingenuity should make this work out. Somebody will patten it soon and make millions on it.
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Post by swilk on Aug 16, 2012 11:53:39 GMT -5
I'd rig up a pole of some sort and use one piece of 12" by 12" cloth that can be seen in any direction on the top of the blind. A little ingenuity should make this work out. Somebody will patten it soon and make millions on it. Interesting ... got me thinking. The way the regulation is worded it is impossible to actually follow. 312 IAC 9-3-2 General requirements and licenses for hunting deer (t) A ground blind that is: (1) Occupied must contain a minimum of one hundred forty-four (144) square inches of material on each side that is solid hunter orange and is visible from any direction during:(A) a season set forth in section 4(b), 4(e), 4(f), and 4(h) of this rule; and (B) that portion of the archery season set forth in section 4(c) of this rule that overlaps a season set forth in section 4(e), 4(f), and 4(h) of this rule. (2) Left unoccupied on department property must visibly bear the name and address of the owner written in the English language in a conspicuous location on the outside of the blind near the entrance. The bold portion is poorly worded and impossible to follow as written. It clarifies that each side must have 144 square inches of material and that each side must be visible from all directions. They must have some better understanding of physics than I do .... cause that aint possible. I know what they mean. I know what will be enforced. But that aint what they wrote. |
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 16, 2012 12:02:43 GMT -5
Orange is a good idea, don't like the way it is written at all. It should be written so the "caps" satisfy the requirement.
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Post by goosepondmonster on Aug 16, 2012 12:05:05 GMT -5
Seems silly on private ground, but it makes sense for public ground.
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Post by drs on Aug 16, 2012 12:11:41 GMT -5
Just consider using a ladder stand 12' high. Forget ground blinds, if they (IDNR) have this rule.
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Post by whitfang on Aug 16, 2012 12:41:08 GMT -5
The Ind Hunting & Trapping Guide says;
"A flag placed on top of a blind does not satisfy this hunter orange requirement."
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Post by whitfang on Aug 16, 2012 12:50:56 GMT -5
I DO normally use stands, both fixed and climbers. But occasionally, like when taking a youngster, it's nice to have a ground blind. And we always use a blind when turkey hunting, whether archery or shotgun.
My brother in a different state bought one of those kits and it's been nothing but trouble. The adhesive velcro tags on the blind come off with the flag and they don't hold well in rain and cold. His did not last the full hunting year. You'll notice that when the manufacturer applies velco on a blind, they STITCH it, not glue it. Because glue will not hold.
Like I say, I don't appreciate losing the use of my $300 blind because the gov't wants us to be safer.
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Post by swilk on Aug 16, 2012 12:53:25 GMT -5
How is a side defined in this case? Many blinds have unconventional configurations .... depending on how a "side" is defined they might need 4, 6, 8 ... 10 pieces of orange??
What about those round bale type blinds? Technically a cylinder has no "sides" .... what does a guy do in that case?
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Post by whitfang on Aug 16, 2012 14:22:20 GMT -5
The 'cap' would answer (and solve) all those questions/problems and would be visible from all sides. I cannot believe a hunter who owns and uses a blind was involved in this decision.
You can argue that a cylinder has no sides but from my experience with DNR, you'll get a ticket and be arguing with a judge. And if you lose, it's a misdemeanor conviction, not an infraction!
REPEAL THIS REGULATION!
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Post by billybobteeth on Aug 16, 2012 15:55:55 GMT -5
IMHO
Stupid as written more "unnecessary" is the word
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Post by practicalsportsman on Aug 16, 2012 18:38:02 GMT -5
The 'cap' would answer (and solve) all those questions/problems and would be visible from all sides. I cannot believe a hunter who owns and uses a blind was involved in this decision. You can argue that a cylinder has no sides but from my experience with DNR, you'll get a ticket and be arguing with a judge. And if you lose, it's a misdemeanor conviction, not an infraction! REPEAL THIS REGULATION! I can agree with this, besides Ameristep makes a cap that is visible from all sides. and if you can't see that you shouldn't be hunting deer with a gun anyway IMO. |
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Post by omegahunter on Aug 17, 2012 16:11:31 GMT -5
I don't see anywhere in the LAW that a cap will not satisfy the new reg unless it is less than 144 square inches for each side that it covers. And BTW, the reg book is not the enforceable law, it is only an informational publication.
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Post by Sasquatch on Aug 17, 2012 16:24:47 GMT -5
The way I read it it could be taken to mean not just 144 square inches total, but on each side.
I can see orange on blinds, but this seems absurdly complicated, difficult to comply with, and unnecessary. A solution in search of a problem, as the saying goes.
I like safety--- but there again, if taken to extremes, leaving the house is dangerous so we'd better not go hunting at all. I have to vote STUPID.
That's okay, I'll hunker in the brush.
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Post by tenring on Aug 17, 2012 17:54:39 GMT -5
15 bucks at Gander Mountain, get'em while their hot!
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Post by daneowner on Aug 17, 2012 17:55:15 GMT -5
JMHO, but I believe a person is more likely to get shot at in a "natural hide-out" then in a man made blind. Is a natural blind required to be build so hunter orange can be seen from the outside? I read no "new" H. O. requirement for natural blinds in the new law. So I guess you better build your blind to where you can keep your head with the hunter orange cap stickin out the top to be legal. Yep, as Sasguatch stated, a solution in search of a problem (and I think it's already found some! My answer, Stupid!
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Post by fowlhunter on Aug 17, 2012 17:59:02 GMT -5
The law would accomplish the same thing and be simple to comply with if it would have been written to require a hunter to display hunter orange on or near an occupied blind that is visible for 360 degrees
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 17, 2012 18:29:10 GMT -5
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