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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 10:22:08 GMT -5
On the flip side if some trappers quit, then eventually hide prices will go back up, making more start trapping again. The point in the law is that most any game agency wants ALL yotes caught to be dispatched, not return to the wild. Ky. and others have the same laws reguarding this issue. Other states did not want yotes imported, when there was already plenty here.
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 28, 2011 10:30:42 GMT -5
fur prices are NOT effected by trapper numbers. All fur prices are effected by ranch fur and the economies of russia and china...the two main buyers of all furs. yote fur is basically used in the trim trade, and the quality of hoosier yote pelts is poor.
now your point about game agencies wanting ALL yotes dead. Back to trapper A...180 of his 200 were dead on the spot.....now ALL 200 are alive and well and multiplying, none are dead.
which version comes closer to accomplishing the goal of ALL dead?
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Post by Rush on Dec 28, 2011 10:48:47 GMT -5
This has been the worse deer season I've seen !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 12:28:18 GMT -5
fur prices are NOT effected by trapper numbers. All fur prices are effected by ranch fur and the economies of russia and china...the two main buyers of all furs. yote fur is basically used in the trim trade, and the quality of hoosier yote pelts is poor. now your point about game agencies wanting ALL yotes dead. Back to trapper A...180 of his 200 were dead on the spot.....now ALL 200 are alive and well and multiplying, none are dead. which version comes closer to accomplishing the goal of ALL dead? Number of trapping licenses sold before and after the change? Any dog running pens in Indiana? Where was the market for the live trapper?
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Post by firstwd on Dec 28, 2011 13:04:03 GMT -5
fur prices are NOT effected by trapper numbers. All fur prices are effected by ranch fur and the economies of russia and china...the two main buyers of all furs. yote fur is basically used in the trim trade, and the quality of hoosier yote pelts is poor. now your point about game agencies wanting ALL yotes dead. Back to trapper A...180 of his 200 were dead on the spot.....now ALL 200 are alive and well and multiplying, none are dead. which version comes closer to accomplishing the goal of ALL dead? Number of trapping licenses sold before and after the change? Any dog running pens in Indiana? Where was the market for the live trapper? No clue on license numbers and not sure if the number would give much insight since it is the same license for dog trappers as water trappers, but most of the big number guys I know of have their lifetime. 2 coyote running/training pens that I knew of in Indiana. I believe Illinois, Missouri, and Arkansas, but I was just getting into it as things were started shutting down.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 15:27:05 GMT -5
I know there was several in Eastern Ky. and Ky wanted them to import NO coyotes. In Ky. when this came up, I was there. Nobody was against it except for 2 nuisance trappers. Fur trppers were not against it, no org. voiced against it either for that matter.
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Post by topash on Jan 1, 2012 10:45:41 GMT -5
Our numbers in western St. Joseph county are steady. I took 7 this year during firearms and muzzleloader. Last day of ML season saw 10 deer including 8 and 10 point bucks. My brother's son in law took 6 during bow season. No complaints here. We also have a lot of coyotes which aren't hurting our hunting at all.
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Post by steiny on Jan 1, 2012 10:49:19 GMT -5
The late season any weapon firearms hunting next year is going to really put the spank on our deer numbers. Really hate to see that opened up.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 1, 2012 10:57:07 GMT -5
The late season any weapon firearms hunting next year is going to really put the spank on our deer numbers. Really hate to see that opened up. I think that the first year it will. It will be a "novelty". After that all bets are off. Things going against it are: 1) Holiday family time - travel 2) deer hunter burn out. 3) full freezer 4) Weather? 5) Competing seasons 6) antlerless only ("trophy hunters" will stay home) Just to name a few......
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Post by gumbootbill on Jan 1, 2012 11:16:51 GMT -5
I saw more deer in 2 days of hunting in switzerland county than i saw all season in jennings.
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Post by esshup on Jan 1, 2012 11:17:33 GMT -5
trapperdave, you hit it on the head. I knew a 'yote trapper who specifically targeted the live market. He stopped trapping 'yotes when the live market went away. He said it wasn't worth his time and gas money for what he got for the pelts.
Now with the higher gas prices, trap prices, etc., there still isn't much financial incentive to trap when furs are bringing prices that they brought almost 40 years ago. I remember a buddy and I busted our butts and broke the 1,000 'rat mark in a week in the mid to late '70's. Little sleep did we get 'cause we skinned/stretched them all, (a lot had to hit the freezer waiting for stretchers to free up).
I had most of my water traps stolen one day in the early '80's and never restocked due to the dropping fur prices and higher trap prices. I never did a lot of land trapping, but I knew some guys who did and did very well on $50-$70 Red Fox.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2012 11:18:03 GMT -5
Antlerless only season don't produce as expected, anywhere they try them. This isn't the first one, just the first one for Indiana, not counting the crappy first youth hunt when the IDHA didn't want youngsters shooting any of "their" bucks.
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Post by jjas on Jan 1, 2012 12:16:48 GMT -5
The late season any weapon firearms hunting next year is going to really put the spank on our deer numbers. Really hate to see that opened up. I think that the first year it will. It will be a "novelty". After that all bets are off. Things going against it are: 1) Holiday family time - travel 2) deer hunter burn out. 3) full freezer 4) Weather? 5) Competing seasons 6) antlerless only ("trophy hunters" will stay home) Just to name a few...... I could see the late season becoming hunted harder if two things happen..... 1. Indiana shortens the gun and muzzleloader seasons. 2. Indiana takes a page out of Iowa's book and allows centerfire rifles (not just pcrs) to be used during the late antlerless season.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 1, 2012 13:32:34 GMT -5
I think that the first year it will. It will be a "novelty". After that all bets are off. Things going against it are: 1) Holiday family time - travel 2) deer hunter burn out. 3) full freezer 4) Weather? 5) Competing seasons 6) antlerless only ("trophy hunters" will stay home) Just to name a few...... I could see the late season becoming hunted harder if two things happen..... 1. Indiana shortens the gun and muzzleloader seasons. What do you think? 3 to4 years and the short and moved gun season proposal will be back? Maybe sooner if the legislature gets rid of the NRC AC...2. Indiana takes a page out of Iowa's book and allows centerfire rifles (not just pcrs) to be used during the late antlerless season. That slippery slope has already begun..The next few years will be inertesting indeed...
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Post by ccdeer1960 on Jan 1, 2012 13:45:03 GMT -5
Re: How are deer numbers where you hunt? « Reply #47 Today at 10:49am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The late season any weapon firearms hunting next year is going to really put the spank on our deer numbers. Really hate to see that opened up.
I missed something, What is changing?
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Post by jjas on Jan 1, 2012 14:09:00 GMT -5
I could see the late season becoming hunted harder if two things happen..... 1. Indiana shortens the gun and muzzleloader seasons. What do you think? 3 to4 years and the short and moved gun season proposal will be back? Maybe sooner if the legislature gets rid of the NRC AC...2. Indiana takes a page out of Iowa's book and allows centerfire rifles (not just pcrs) to be used during the late antlerless season. That slippery slope has already begun..The next few years will be inertesting indeed... Woody, I'll be surprised if it's 3-4 years. I personally think that the bonus antlerless numbers are too high in many counties and needs to be looked at. Other than that, I'd leave 2.0 alone for 5 years and see where we are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2012 14:19:01 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks the antlerless quota is too high, needs to try and get it lowered. Get a petition started in the local gathering places and send it to the DNR. Been there in Ky. after the unlimited antlerless change a decade ago. It will change and can change with local input, assuming it can change based on not too many other factors. Hunter input is one of those factors and will be considered.
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Post by HillBillyJeff on Jan 1, 2012 14:31:43 GMT -5
There is no rabbit or groundhog shortage here at all. Of course I have some good rabbit habitat. But as more and more ditchbanks and fencerows are gone, the population will lessen. Set aside land I heard was going away, so that will hurt too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2012 21:10:52 GMT -5
I hunt in Indiana, and Kentucky. The Deer numbers are down in both areas I hunt, but they are rebounding pretty good. IMO
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Post by raporter on Jan 5, 2012 8:50:16 GMT -5
Deer numbers have been way down around me for a few years now but are rebounding.
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