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Post by jackc99 on Jan 19, 2008 17:20:01 GMT -5
Quite frankly the PCR's were one thing and I supported their legalization. Their ballistics were no more threatening than current shotguns or muzzleloaders. This is something else and right now I would oppose these weapons for use in deer hunting as would many other hunters. Nice toy but you don't need it in Indiana.
Jack
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Post by elmo on Jan 19, 2008 21:45:33 GMT -5
what is the deal with everyone being afraid of rifles in indiana for deer? I don't get it. What is the reason people don't want them in indiana?
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Post by tenring on Jan 19, 2008 23:24:30 GMT -5
what is the deal with everyone being afraid of rifles in indiana for deer? I don't get it. What is the reason people don't want them in indiana? SWAG, topography and knowledge of the firearm and the ability to handle it. |
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 20, 2008 7:03:00 GMT -5
There is a concern that a certain percentage of the people do not consider what the final resting places of the rounds they fire will be; adding the additional range of a HPR would increase the chances of an incident. You get into a county like Tipton for example, and I can see the concern. Go back on my place and unless you're shooting up in the air there wouldn't be an issue. However the other point is a PCR or rifled slug gun would cover any shot you would likely get there. I'd be willing to go along with HPR's for the southern part of the state. I don't feel not being able to use one has hurt me any. Now where I go in KY you definitely can get shots where they come into their own; even then I try to set up to keep the shot inside 150yds., but that 200yd. one is a possibility and there is no problem with the rounds range. I just can't get excited about pushing for them; besides the state isn't going to ever let it happen.
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Post by elmo on Jan 21, 2008 15:49:28 GMT -5
Im not pushing for hpr's i just was trying to find out why people are dead set against them. I live in IN, but work in KY and can't see the topography argument. Most deer hunters are in an elevated position and even on flat ground I don't think that bullet will curve upward and go anywhere else.
Hey tenring don't you think that knowledge and ability ought to be mastered before using any weapon for any purpose? I don't know what SWAG is, could you spell it out for me?
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 21, 2008 16:09:23 GMT -5
Yep it should, unfortunately not everyone seems to feel that way. I've seen a few really dumb things back when I hunted public land; I can understand those who have concerns.
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Post by tenring on Jan 21, 2008 17:47:06 GMT -5
Scientific Wild A$$ Guess, if it should come to pass [doubtful IMHO] that HPR would be legalized, it would not bother me a bit to prove I could handle one in a responsible manner. Had to take a test to get my drivers license. Took three deer this September with a 700 in '06, three rounds, three deer, shot expert with a M14 while in boot camp,
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 26, 2008 22:05:14 GMT -5
Well, I received an e-mail from the DNR confirming that the loophole DOES INDEED EXIST:
The question seems to be whether they can close it as simply as they state. It is my opinion that the Indiana code defining a handgun would have to be changed, and not just the hunting regulations themselves. The DNR's law covering hunting deer with a handgun clearly states that it abides by Indiana's definition of a handgun.
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Post by drs on Jan 27, 2008 8:05:14 GMT -5
Well, I received an e-mail from the DNR confirming that the loophole DOES INDEED EXIST: The question seems to be whether they can close it as simply as they state. It is my opinion that the Indiana code defining a handgun would have to be changed, and not just the hunting regulations themselves. The DNR's law covering hunting deer with a handgun clearly states that it abides by Indiana's definition of a handgun. Why, on Earth, things have to be so complicated these days.  |
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Post by greg on Jan 27, 2008 15:18:57 GMT -5
I assume the DNR would merely need to state that a firearm employing a shoulder stock is legal for deer hunting only if chambered as a PCR.
Or simply state that legal handguns for deer hunting do not have shoulder stocks. Any handgun with a shoulder stock is illegal. Easy enough to close that loophole.
Just because the rule relates to handguns, doesn't make it any more or less difficult to lay out the specific regs for hunting with them. If they wanted to, I suppose they could state that only revolvers were legal, or only single shots, or only "silver-colored" pistols for that matter!
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 27, 2008 20:48:29 GMT -5
I assume the DNR would merely need to state that a firearm employing a shoulder stock is legal for deer hunting only if chambered as a PCR. I'm confident that the DNR will do whatever is necessary to close this loophole, but I seriously doubt that it will be this easy. Remember, 312 IAC 9-3-3 (the law regarding deer hunting with firearms) states: (f) A person must not hunt deer with a firearm under this section except as follows: (2) A handgun must: (A) conform to the requirements of IC 35-47-2;(B) have a barrel at least four (4) inches long; and (C) fire a bullet of two hundred forty-three thousandths (.243) inch diameter or larger. All 38 special ammunition is prohibited. The handgun cartridge case, without bullet, must be at least one and sixteenhundredths (1.16) inches long. " IC 35-47-2 uses the definition that a handgun can be any firearm with a barrel less than 16". The handgun deer hunting law states that it must conform to that definition. I'd assume that the DNR will have to revise 312 IAC 9-3-3 to remove the "(A)" section which, while very possible, will require more effort than just printing something in the 2008 hunting regulations book. |
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Post by larryhagmansliver on Jan 29, 2008 8:49:25 GMT -5
Someone get me a Tylanol!
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Post by js2397 on Feb 15, 2008 11:00:20 GMT -5
Any news?
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Post by robster on Feb 16, 2008 23:50:27 GMT -5
When people say "Indiana land layout is too flat." Sure the northern and central part are flat. I live off the Ohio River and we can't use them I guess the people who hunt the same land formations across the Ohio river should be banned as they can shoot all of us over here. Where are the law makers that are looking out for me! Oh sure I can shoot a squirrel with a .338 win mag or a 444 marlin or a 37mm flare launcher. Or groundhog with any thing, or Coyotes. Or deer with handgun with a rifle caliber.
But Someone forbid that a hunter with a rifle that can shoot a straight line shoot a deer with the same he can shoot with a hand cannon.
Instead of looking for loop holes look for the obvious. Ask the people at DNR to wake up and pass laws for the hunter and not for the public opinion.
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