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Post by hornharvester on Jan 14, 2008 17:30:13 GMT -5
I'm not sure why someone would oppose the center fire rifle handgun as a legal deer weapon. They have been legal for over 25 years now and haven't seemed to cause any deaths or ricochet accidents as some predict. Most people who shoot them are very proficient with a gun and the cost of them keep the average deer hunter from buying one. It takes practice to be a good shot with one. To me they are just another weapon of choice for deer hunting. h.h.
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Post by steiny on Jan 14, 2008 18:04:54 GMT -5
HH is correct. There are so few of these actually in use in the field, that it is not really much of an issue.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 14, 2008 18:20:55 GMT -5
HH is correct. There are so few of these actually in use in the field, that it is not really much of an issue. The same would be true for SBR's. Not many would go to the trouble of applying to the BATF so that they could manufacture one, let alone pay a $200 NFA tax for the right to do so.
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Post by parson on Jan 14, 2008 18:30:49 GMT -5
If you could deal with a 12 - 12 1/2 length of pull, with a single shot rifle, you'd have a decent length barrel. I'm not for or against, I was just a thinkin'. parson
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Post by danf on Jan 14, 2008 20:29:22 GMT -5
If you could deal with a 12 - 12 1/2 length of pull, with a single shot rifle, you'd have a decent length barrel. I'm not for or against, I was just a thinkin'. parson Maybe with a Contender/Encore. No way with a bolt action of any type. Depending on caliber, I think you'd be looking at a 5-8" length to be under the 26" requirement. Which doesn't really matter, since it's an either/or proposition. Overall length less than 26" OR a barrel less than 16" OR one-handed hold.
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Post by indianahick on Jan 14, 2008 22:15:28 GMT -5
Why would I be against High Powered Rifle loads in Hand Guns or Short Barreled Rifles. Actually I have been against High Powers from day one. Now with M4 finding some kind of rifle loop hole what I believe may or may not happen is that High Power enthusiasts will start screaming that since they are legal in one rifle they should be legal in all. Personally I do not believe that Indiana has enough uninhabited area to make the use of those rifles safe enough for their usage. But hey then again its just the way I feel and I do not for see it changing.
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 14, 2008 22:41:18 GMT -5
I think there are areas where you could use them and others where it could be a problem. I have a personal example: There are 80 acres that I potentially could have hunted in Tipton Co. The deer movement and features of the property made bowhunting very difficult (the only real option) and I wasn't comfortable launching a round from the Encore or a sabot for safety concerns so after talking with the owner about it I decided not to try to hunt it. Point being I can understand your concerns indianahick as I had a real life example of that kind of an issue to deal with so they do exist; besides it seems pretty clear there isn't any interest in changing the rules to allow them.
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Post by hornharvester on Jan 14, 2008 23:43:55 GMT -5
I see no problem with the current rules and regulations concerning handguns for deer hunting and doubt the DNR does either. The laws be in effect for many years now and I hope its in for many more. h.h.
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Post by larryhagmansliver on Jan 15, 2008 7:03:41 GMT -5
I know this isn't what the threads about, but I use my encore pistol for deer hunting and make sure I have a good rest. If not it is worse than shooting a bow for me.
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 15, 2008 8:47:31 GMT -5
Yep, with a good rest they'll really reach out. Offhand tends to be more limiting.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 15, 2008 16:13:36 GMT -5
I received an e-mail reply from the IDNR today stating that they are researching the subject.
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Post by elmo on Jan 15, 2008 22:56:57 GMT -5
I was just reading this interesting chat. I think M4 is dead on. The loop hole exists, and the state will welcome anyone's $200 that wants to send it in. The hunter is not the problem in my opinion the guy that bought the uzi with a less than 16" barrel is who they want all the info on. I figured that the new allowance of handgun caliber rifles is just the first step to being able to allow high powered rifles in the future. That's why I am not running out to get one. I have another question, how is it that it is not safe to shoot a hpr at a deer(normally from an elevated position), but it is safe to shoot up into a tree at a squirrel with a .22? Won't a .22 kill a person just as dead as a .300 win mag?
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Post by js2397 on Jan 16, 2008 7:25:50 GMT -5
In Indiana you can hunt anything with an HPR except deer, turkeys, and migratory birds. So if you want a do everything small game gun you could get a 7mm. You could use it to hunt squirrels and if the opportunity presented itself shoot a coyote. Then as you were walking out of the woods if you jumped a rabbit or maybe a quail you could shoot them with your 7mm also.
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Post by jackc99 on Jan 16, 2008 10:21:33 GMT -5
Shoot a quail with an HPR? Man you guys are good!!! LOL.
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Post by parson on Jan 16, 2008 13:33:17 GMT -5
If,n you makes a head shot there's no lost meat! parson
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Post by RoadKill on Jan 17, 2008 11:12:24 GMT -5
A "bullpup" stock configuration could give you an "under 26 overall length" with a barrel length of over 20 inches.
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Post by greg on Jan 17, 2008 16:13:51 GMT -5
Here's one chambered in .308 Winchester. The carbine version has an overall length of 26 inches and a barrel length of 18 inches. Would be perfectly legal under m4's hypothesis. www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCVb55UxYbU
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 17, 2008 16:49:29 GMT -5
A "bullpup" stock configuration could give you an "under 26 overall length" with a barrel length of over 20 inches. Yes, and as long as the barrel length is at least 16", no special paperwork is needed. It would be just like any other firearm purchase.
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Post by RoadKill on Jan 17, 2008 18:15:35 GMT -5
A "bullpup" stock configuration could give you an "under 26 overall length" with a barrel length of over 20 inches. Yes, and as long as the barrel length is at least 16", no special paperwork is needed. It would be just like any other firearm purchase. There may be an issue with the Fed law on rifle/handgun/SBR/AOW specs., but I'm not up to speed on all that.
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Post by tenring on Jan 19, 2008 11:14:49 GMT -5
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