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Post by racktracker on Oct 14, 2009 9:05:51 GMT -5
I see a three year two buck trial in our future.
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Post by racktracker on Oct 14, 2009 9:07:54 GMT -5
I really couldn't care less if I can take one buck or two, but I know for sure that when I burn my buck early, it definitely decreases my desire for sitting in the stand until next year. Me too. The DNR needs more deer killed so the OBR takes hunters out of the woods as soon as their buck is dropped. Makes no sense to me.
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Post by indianahick on Oct 14, 2009 9:35:10 GMT -5
One of the problems with the OBR and its Booner behind every tree thinking is no one accounted for the natural increase in deer. Unlike the television hunting porn shows behind tall fences and feeder fed deer. Wild ranging deer don't get the bone growing supplements. Yeah I like to kill does, they taste better. But I don't see anything wrong with two buck one archery and one firearms. But hey then again I haven't seen a buck (buttons don't count) for three years.
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Post by mrfixit on Oct 14, 2009 10:21:51 GMT -5
The OBR is a rule not a restriction for your info The Hunters of the state voted in the OBR, it didn't just happen with "Certain people" as some try to paint the picture. I'm wondering where the vote took place because I didn't get to vote. Do you need a special voting card or will my state drivers license suffice? Was the vote held in a public place and if so where because I certainly don't want to miss the next one. The last time this mysterious voting took place it did in fact rob me of hunting opportunity. Perhaps it didn't rob me of antler worship opportunity but I rarely do that anyway so the net result equals less opportunity no matter how you slice it. Can someone please post where and when the next "voting" opportunity takes place ?
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 14, 2009 10:27:10 GMT -5
My personal opinion in regards to our buck bag is..........it should stay one buck deer per year and ***all of archery season should include crossbows.***
I Know that some folks will tell you that these are two different subjects and I say......they ARE but their NOT!
IF.....we include crossbows in the early season it will possibly get more folks out during the early season. Having those folks THINK about the deer they shoot that early in the season before they shoot it would be a positive benefit for Indiana's buck herd.
If we DON'T include crossbows in the early season, then we should go back to a one buck with archery and one buck with a firearm (guns & muzzleloaders) as a way to make up for the loss of crossbow opportunity in the early season.
I don't think our current OBR has produced any more buck deer in the herd......but it does make **SOME** folks think before they shoot early in the year.
Withthat said, there are still plenty of folks who shoot small buck deer, some won't shoot a small one early but will late and some will shoot a small one at any time. The OBR aint gonna change that regardless!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2009 12:42:13 GMT -5
OBR and crossbow expansion are not related. One is a management issue, the other deals with a oppurtunity to put more hunters in the field.
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Post by ridgerunner on Oct 14, 2009 15:42:31 GMT -5
Well we had many years of the two buck rule...why would the bring back a three year experiment? They have 30+ years of data form that test..
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Post by racktracker on Oct 14, 2009 17:05:38 GMT -5
Well we had many years of the two buck rule...why would the bring back a three year experiment? They have 30+ years of data form that test.. That data is over seven years old now. Why do you think the OBR was extended? Answer - For more data as there was a BUNCH of changes made during the intial 5 year trial. That made any results inconclusive. If it made the initial OBR trial inconclusive then it most certainly did the two buck limit proceeding it. Look for it. It might even help the IDNR garner much needed funds which we are all in favor of, right?
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Post by racktracker on Oct 14, 2009 17:06:06 GMT -5
OBR and crossbow expansion are not related. One is a management issue, the other deals with a oppurtunity to put more hunters in the field. Ditto.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 14, 2009 19:30:33 GMT -5
Well we had many years of the two buck rule...why would the bring back a three year experiment? They have 30+ years of data form that test.. Excatly....why go back to a system that had people shooting LESS Deer... We are shooting more Deer with the OBR in place...
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Post by indianaboy on Oct 15, 2009 1:58:01 GMT -5
Well we had many years of the two buck rule...why would the bring back a three year experiment? They have 30+ years of data form that test.. Excatly....why go back to a system that had people shooting LESS Deer... We are shooting more Deer with the OBR in place... I am all for OBR but where did you find this info. Just curious
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Post by indianahick on Oct 15, 2009 8:55:07 GMT -5
More deer are being killed due to the increase in the doe bag limits. Befor the Obr you could maybe get two bonus does in say Vigo county now you can get 4 and if you hunt on the Fairbanks property you can take another one or two with archery. This year for the first time Fairbanks is allowing bonus does with firearms after something like the first 11 days of firearms. It has nothing to do with OBR per say. It has everything to do with natural increase and herd management. Kind of like in 1980 the herd was around 80k and now it is pushing 300+K (just a guess).
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 15, 2009 9:24:18 GMT -5
More deer are being killed due to the increase in the doe bag limits. Befor the Obr you could maybe get two bonus does in say Vigo county now you can get 4 and if you hunt on the Fairbanks property you can take another one or two with archery. This year for the first time Fairbanks is allowing bonus does with firearms after something like the first 11 days of firearms. It has nothing to do with OBR per say. It has everything to do with natural increase and herd management. Kind of like in 1980 the herd was around 80k and now it is pushing 300+K (just a guess). IMHO - The increases in deer kills since 2002 are: 1) An increasing number of deer in the Indiana herd. The last herd estimate was back in the late 90s and it was estimated at 500,000 then. No telling where it is at today. 2)The DNR increasing bonus tags to something like 400 for the state. 3) The large amount of lifetime licenses sold before the cut off date. No more bonus tags to buy for those guys. 4) Allowing bowhunters to fill bonus tags during the early archery season. If EHD had not hit us two years in a row those kill numbers would be even higher.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 15, 2009 10:51:02 GMT -5
Weather you support the OBR or not.......you would have to be crazy to beleive that the OBR has attributed to any increase in deer harvest.
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Post by whiteoak on Oct 15, 2009 11:29:17 GMT -5
I Guess that could mean alot of things......So the poll was not valid because you didn't get ONE!!!!...interesting i didnt get one either Me neither, or anybody I know that hunts deer got one.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 15, 2009 18:25:27 GMT -5
Excatly....why go back to a system that had people shooting LESS Deer... We are shooting more Deer with the OBR in place... I am all for OBR but where did you find this info. Just curious www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/files/fw-2008deerseasonsummary.pdf page 9.... Page 3 also has a interesting Qoute..... "This harvest was 4% higher than the 124,427 deer harvested during the 2007 season. The antlered deer harvest of 50,845 represented a nearly 3% increase from the 49,375 harvested last year. The antlerless harvest of 78,903 was 5% more than the 75,052 harvested in 2007. In 2008, the harvest for total deer and antlerless deer ranks as the highest reported kill for each category in history. The antlered harvest ranks third all-time"......
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Post by greghopper on Oct 16, 2009 5:05:16 GMT -5
More deer are being killed due to the increase in the doe bag limits. Befor the Obr you could maybe get two bonus does in say Vigo county now you can get 4 and if you hunt on the Fairbanks property you can take another one or two with archery. This year for the first time Fairbanks is allowing bonus does with firearms after something like the first 11 days of firearms. It has nothing to do with OBR per say. It has everything to do with natural increase and herd management. Kind of like in 1980 the herd was around 80k and now it is pushing 300+K (just a guess). Let me post some a quote from "The Science Behind Hunting" www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/files/fw-hg_featuredstories.pdfThe DNR seeks to provide a positive hunting experience for all. The DNR hears and acts upon concerns of hunters, anglers and general wildlife enthusiasts, if they make biological sense. After years of listening to some deer hunters’ perception that Indiana needed to improve the age class of its male deer, the DNR instituted a bag limit of one antlered buck per year. “In Indiana, studies based on yearly averages show about 55 percent of all licensed deer hunters do not shoot a deer,” Indiana deer biologist Chad Stewart said. “Of the deer hunters who are successful in taking an animal, around 65 percent shoot only one deer.
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Post by duff on Oct 16, 2009 6:46:58 GMT -5
More deer are being killed due to the increase in the doe bag limits. Befor the Obr you could maybe get two bonus does in say Vigo county now you can get 4 and if you hunt on the Fairbanks property you can take another one or two with archery. This year for the first time Fairbanks is allowing bonus does with firearms after something like the first 11 days of firearms. It has nothing to do with OBR per say. It has everything to do with natural increase and herd management. Kind of like in 1980 the herd was around 80k and now it is pushing 300+K (just a guess). Let me post some a quote from "The Science Behind Hunting" www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/files/fw-hg_featuredstories.pdfThe DNR seeks to provide a positive hunting experience for all. The DNR hears and acts upon concerns of hunters, anglers and general wildlife enthusiasts, if they make biological sense. After years of listening to some deer hunters’ perception that Indiana needed to improve the age class of its male deer, the DNR instituted a bag limit of one antlered buck per year. “In Indiana, studies based on yearly averages show about 55 percent of all licensed deer hunters do not shoot a deer,” Indiana deer biologist Chad Stewart said. “Of the deer hunters who are successful in taking an animal, around 65 percent shoot only one deer. That's been my rub with the OBR from the begining. Most guys seem to think every guy in a tree was killing a bow buck and a gun buck when that was not the case at all. Shoot some guys that were so into the rule thought you could kill 2 bucks with gun Regardless the stats would not change if they went back to the old rules and we would be killing more deer as the population grows. Hunters will only drag out so many deer and most hunters will only venture out to the woods so many times a year. We on the hunting boards are not the majority. The majority only hunt a weekend or two.
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Post by Decatur on Oct 16, 2009 6:48:30 GMT -5
More deer are being killed due to the increase in the doe bag limits. Befor the Obr you could maybe get two bonus does in say Vigo county now you can get 4 and if you hunt on the Fairbanks property you can take another one or two with archery. This year for the first time Fairbanks is allowing bonus does with firearms after something like the first 11 days of firearms. It has nothing to do with OBR per say. It has everything to do with natural increase and herd management. Kind of like in 1980 the herd was around 80k and now it is pushing 300+K (just a guess). Let me post some a quote from "The Science Behind Hunting" www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/files/fw-hg_featuredstories.pdfThe DNR seeks to provide a positive hunting experience for all. The DNR hears and acts upon concerns of hunters, anglers and general wildlife enthusiasts, if they make biological sense.After years of listening to some deer hunters’ perception that Indiana needed to improve the age class of its male deer, the DNR instituted a bag limit of one antlered buck per year. “In Indiana, studies based on yearly averages show about 55 percent of all licensed deer hunters do not shoot a deer,” Indiana deer biologist Chad Stewart said. “Of the deer hunters who are successful in taking an animal, around 65 percent shoot only one deer. Hmmm, very interesting...where are all of those hunters killing two bucks and hurting the herd???
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