|
Post by greghopper on Oct 12, 2009 12:09:20 GMT -5
I Guess that could mean alot of things......So the poll was not valid because you didn't get ONE!!!!...interesting
|
|
|
Post by Sasquatch on Oct 12, 2009 12:14:09 GMT -5
I Guess that could mean alot of things......So the poll was not valid because you didn't get ONE!!!!...interesting Yeah, well, Greghopper, I didn't get one either, nor did anyone else I know. It's only natural to wonder about the results of a poll only certain people seem to know about.
|
|
|
Post by greghopper on Oct 12, 2009 12:30:36 GMT -5
I Guess that could mean alot of things......So the poll was not valid because you didn't get ONE!!!!...interesting Yeah, well, Greghopper, I didn't get one either, nor did anyone else I know. It's only natural to wonder about the results of a poll only certain people seem to know about. Who are these "Certain people".....
|
|
|
Post by racktracker on Oct 12, 2009 12:38:55 GMT -5
Greg, Why did you leave this out? Skipped right over it, didn;t you?
|
|
|
Post by throbak on Oct 12, 2009 14:28:42 GMT -5
why don't we just quit being a' 'special interest group''which none of us like and listen to the people we hired as tax payers ,THE BIOLOGIST and accept what they say is best for our herd health
|
|
|
Post by cambygsp on Oct 12, 2009 14:44:08 GMT -5
I Guess that could mean alot of things......So the poll was not valid because you didn't get ONE!!!!...interesting i didnt get one either
|
|
|
Post by Sasquatch on Oct 12, 2009 14:45:21 GMT -5
Yeah, well, Greghopper, I didn't get one either, nor did anyone else I know. It's only natural to wonder about the results of a poll only certain people seem to know about. Who are these "Certain people"..... [/quote
] Well, I thought that was self-explanatory. "Certain People" would be the small selection of people that got the mysterious survey that you seem to be taking as Gospel. The main reason I bothered to respond to your post was that you put meaning into Decatur's post that did not appear to be there. He simply stated that he had received no survey. He said nothing about believing the survey to be invalid. Yet, he was immediately maligned. I for one am sick of the way there can be no intelligent discussion of deer management. Everybody seems to believe whatever they see on deer hunting shows and feels threatened whenever logic rears it's ugly head. Anyone that has any questions about the OBR or any other management proposals that have to do with antlers are immediately attacked unless they are pro-restriction, whatever that may be. Such persons are portrayed as being behind the times or less worthy as hunters because they might occasionally take smaller animals, or, God forbid, view our pastime as DEER hunting, not trophy buck hunting. Not everybody equates giant antlers with success. The dude that started this thread just asked a question. I asked one of my own. Why can't we just debate without being unpleasant?
|
|
|
Post by Hoosier Hunter on Oct 12, 2009 15:12:26 GMT -5
why don't we just quit being a' 'special interest group''which none of us like and listen to the people we hired as tax payers ,THE BIOLOGIST and accept what they say is best for our herd health
|
|
|
Post by greghopper on Oct 12, 2009 16:25:54 GMT -5
Yeah, well, Greghopper, I didn't get one either, nor did anyone else I know. It's only natural to wonder about the results of a poll only certain people seem to know about. Who are these "Certain people"..... [/quote
] Well, I thought that was self-explanatory. "Certain People" would be the small selection of people that got the mysterious survey that you seem to be taking as Gospel. The main reason I bothered to respond to your post was that you put meaning into Decatur's post that did not appear to be there. He simply stated that he had received no survey. He said nothing about believing the survey to be invalid. Yet, he was immediately maligned. I for one am sick of the way there can be no intelligent discussion of deer management. Everybody seems to believe whatever they see on deer hunting shows and feels threatened whenever logic rears it's ugly head. Anyone that has any questions about the OBR or any other management proposals that have to do with antlers are immediately attacked unless they are pro-restriction, whatever that may be. Such persons are portrayed as being behind the times or less worthy as hunters because they might occasionally take smaller animals, or, God forbid, view our pastime as DEER hunting, not trophy buck hunting. Not everybody equates giant antlers with success. The dude that started this thread just asked a question. I asked one of my own. Why can't we just debate without being unpleasant? No one is being unpleasant.... you are the only one with ruffled feathers ... The OBR is a rule not a restriction for your info The Hunters of the state voted in the OBR, it didn't just happen with "Certain people" as some try to paint the picture. Why would we go back to a system that had hunters killing LESS Deer....Hmmm P.S. I didn't get a survey either
|
|
|
Post by indianahick on Oct 12, 2009 19:20:31 GMT -5
I do not remember getting a survey slip either. But then again I am not an archery only type of hunter. But then again I personally feel that if you are a one weapon only type of hunter then you fall into a special interest group and you percentage should be looked at as such and then given a lower priority. I would also say that anything voted for and accepted by less than 15,000 hunters does not represent the hunters of Indiana. That would be like asking Pentecostal people if women should be allowed to wear slacks or shorts. Saying that it represents all Indiana hunters does not make it so.
|
|
|
Post by ridgerunner on Oct 12, 2009 20:09:35 GMT -5
I got a survey and so did several others I know.. guess I'm one of the "certain people"..I don't think they sent them to the anti-OBR activists, just common deerhunting folks..
|
|
|
Post by duff on Oct 12, 2009 20:48:26 GMT -5
The hunters that recieved the survey were completely selected by random chance. The size or amount of those selected reduce the chance that it is biased towards a minority. It is just the way a scientific survey is conducted. We don't need to measure every Hoosier to get the average height of Hoosiers. If you only pick people in one area or don't measure enough you run the risk of finding a convention of midgets (not true average or biased) but if you use a random method for selecting your individuals that get measured and large enough pool of individuals you will get the NBA tall and the midget short but the average size will be the majority. So don't worry just because you didn't get to voice your concerns on this survey you can bet there was likely someone who had close to the same results as yours.
Besides you don't need to be selected for a survey to let the DNR know how you feel. There are always some type of open to the public meetings/ requests for Information and those types of requests that allow anyone to put in their comments. So don't complain about not being picked to participate in the survey and make sure you provide feedback any and everytime you are given the chance.
|
|
|
Post by Dan Reeves on Oct 12, 2009 21:00:24 GMT -5
Now you gotta go thowing us midgets into the equation, dang, I'll never understand you people, I'll bet there were some tall folks for the OBR also - JK
I wanted to get that in so I'll be back in a minute
|
|
|
Post by Dan Reeves on Oct 12, 2009 21:16:38 GMT -5
Initially I was all for the OBR, I was and still are to some part, really into big horns (who isn't given the chance). It seemed to me that if less young bucks were taken, then later we would have more older, bigger bucks. And to some degree I think that might have happened, but not near to the degree I dreamed it would have.
I don't profess to know what's best for our deer herd, and I sure don't want next weeks internet forum headline to read "OBR to continue" or "OBR is over" due to Dan Reeves' opinion, I think we better leave this to the experts and let our opinion be known.
I fully subscribe to the let them go so they can grow philosophy, but certainly do not believe that my feeling should apply to all.
I really couldn't care less if I can take one buck or two, but I know for sure that when I burn my buck early, it definitely decreases my desire for sitting in the stand until next year.
|
|
|
Post by Decatur on Oct 12, 2009 21:38:04 GMT -5
I Guess that could mean alot of things......So the poll was not valid because you didn't get ONE!!!!...interesting Wow! What's interesting is how much you read into the four words I typed, actually only 3 words and a letter. I was just saying that I didn't get one, and was wondering why.
|
|
|
Post by duff on Oct 12, 2009 21:47:50 GMT -5
Initially I was all for the OBR, I was and still are to some part, really into big horns (who isn't given the chance). It seemed to me that if less young bucks were taken, then later we would have more older, bigger bucks. And to some degree I think that might have happened, but not near to the degree I dreamed it would have. I don't profess to know what's best for our deer herd, and I sure don't want next weeks internet forum headline to read "OBR to continue" or "OBR is over" due to Dan Reeves' opinion, I think we better leave this to the experts and let our opinion be known. I fully subscribe to the let them go so they can grow philosophy, but certainly do not believe that my feeling should apply to all. I really couldn't care less if I can take one buck or two, but I know for sure that when I burn my buck early, it definitely decreases my desire for sitting in the stand until next year. Me too, except I never was too crazy about the rule. I don't believe the DNR should make rules that they term "social experiment" in not so many words.
|
|
|
Post by cambygsp on Oct 13, 2009 5:56:21 GMT -5
It's exactly what I posted "Buck Management"
We have always managed the antlerless part of the herd through bonus antlerless permits.
Buck mamanement over the years has been done through bag limits. As I am sure you know, we are currently under a one buck bag limit for all of the deer season (Archery, general firearm, muzzleloader and crossbow).
This one buck limit will expire in a few years.......what happens then?
Will we be allowed to shoot a buck deer with archery gear AND shoot a buck with a firearm?
Will we get to shoot two bucks a year with the weapon of our choice (2 with firearm or 2 with archery)
Will we have to earn a buck?
DOES ANYONE HERE KNOW FOR SURE WHAT THE PROCESS WILL BE?
I think a discussion needs to be started and a proposal drawn up.
Folks, things work very slowly at the DNR. A buck management plan needs to be proposed as soon as possible.
|
|
|
Post by Woody Williams on Oct 13, 2009 10:00:11 GMT -5
....... DOES ANYONE HERE KNOW FOR SURE WHAT THE PROCESS WILL BE? No, not even the DNR.. The OBR final season is 2012. As was done the last go around something will need to be decided before that season even starts. The NRC/DNR moves very slowly in making changes. When that happens I'm sure input will be asked for and there will be no lack of input, I assure you. I see very little common ground or on this subject. There will be no give and take. It will be one way or the other....
|
|
|
Post by indianahick on Oct 13, 2009 18:10:37 GMT -5
Boy did I step on some toes. Thats okay. Go to a meeting and have my say . Well thats easier to do now than it was in 99, 2000, 2001 and part of 02. Course now I have to pray that my bent framed Dakota will get me there and back. And I have to plan my excursions due to my eating and drinking handicap. But hey thats another of those you should type of comments. Yup real helpful. Oh hey duff speaking of handicaps you do know about Margo Pepperak that works up at Newport.
|
|
|
Post by duff on Oct 13, 2009 19:36:11 GMT -5
Boy did I step on some toes. Thats okay. Go to a meeting and have my say . Well thats easier to do now than it was in 99, 2000, 2001 and part of 02. Course now I have to pray that my bent framed Dakota will get me there and back. And I have to plan my excursions due to my eating and drinking handicap. But hey thats another of those you should type of comments. Yup real helpful. Oh hey duff speaking of handicaps you do know about Margo Pepperak that works up at Newport. Nope, can't say I do. Should I? If you took my post offensive I am sorry. It wasn't intended to. The DNR takes public comments in all types of forms. Random surveys, public meetings, email correspondance, and even phone calls. They make it pretty easy to give feedback. Just because an individual didn't get a chance on a random survey doesn't mean you can't voice your oppinion.
|
|