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Post by cambygsp on Oct 12, 2009 4:20:11 GMT -5
At what point will we discuss buck management for Indiana.
I know we are still in a "trial period" with the OBR but it is set to expire in what .......2 or so years?
Had we not better get a plan in place and present it to the DNR?........PRIOR TO THE OBR EXPIRING?
As slow as things move at the DNR, I would think a plan should be presented around the end of this season.
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Post by turkeyscout on Oct 12, 2009 6:40:04 GMT -5
its a real simple plan ! destroy all paperwork on obr and go back to the way it was !!!!.............turkey scout
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Post by swilk on Oct 12, 2009 7:12:00 GMT -5
What do you suggest?
I see most anything as being very, very unpopular with the "opportunity" folks.
Unless you are speaking of general license issues ......
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 12, 2009 7:12:37 GMT -5
We should be discussing herd management.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Oct 12, 2009 7:23:13 GMT -5
its a real simple plan ! destroy all paperwork on obr and go back to the way it was !!!!.............turkey scout DITTO!!!!!!!  |
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Post by swilk on Oct 12, 2009 7:31:43 GMT -5
We should be discussing herd management. What would you suggest? Herd management, IMO, should start with the female harvest. There are only 2 ways to effectively increase the female deer harvest .... entice hunters with incentives or force hunters through rules. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 12, 2009 8:09:00 GMT -5
We should be discussing herd management. What would you suggest? Herd management, IMO, should start with the female harvest. There are only 2 ways to effectively increase the female deer harvest .... entice hunters with incentives or force hunters through rules. .........and educate.. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2009 8:26:14 GMT -5
Fix the tag price stucture and a lot of the problems will go away on both counts.
But if it's a trial, and the DNR decides it didn't work out, seems it would revert to what it was before OBR?
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 12, 2009 8:31:29 GMT -5
Fix the tag price stucture and a lot of the problems will go away on both counts. But if it's a trial, and the DNR decides it didn't work out, seems it would revert to what it was before OBR? I don't think they will mess with the buck tags UNTIL the OBR trial is over. Once it is over, either way, then they will address it. If it goes back to a two buck limit (one with archery euipment and one with a firearm) then there would be no need to change. If it stays an OBR then changes "SHOULD" be made. Niot sure if they will, but they should. |
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 12, 2009 8:34:41 GMT -5
Set it up like KY and be done with it. Even if IN goes back to 2 bucks still do something similar to KY - price to be roughly revenue neutral and press on.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 12, 2009 8:35:07 GMT -5
I think the OBR trial goes through the 2012 season.
There is still no defining criteria for judging it's success or what. It will come down to another poll and whatever the majority of deer hunters want is what everyone will get..
Our own personal "buck management" happens when we decide to pull or not pull the trigger..
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Post by swilk on Oct 12, 2009 8:38:51 GMT -5
What would you suggest? Herd management, IMO, should start with the female harvest. There are only 2 ways to effectively increase the female deer harvest .... entice hunters with incentives or force hunters through rules. .........and educate.. I should have said 3 ways .... Hunters from my fathers generation .... from your generation .... can remember what it was like to never see a deer. When seeing a deer was a special treat .... getting that generation of hunters to understand that killing does has become a very important part of herd management is sometimes difficult. It only took my 15 years but I finally have my dad convinced that killing does is good ..... not bad. lol. |
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Post by greghopper on Oct 12, 2009 8:49:14 GMT -5
I think the OBR trial goes through the 2012 season. There is still no defining criteria for judging it's success or what. It will come down to another poll and whatever the majority of deer hunters want is what everyone will get..Our own personal "buck management" happens when we decide to pull or not pull the trigger.. Exactly.....Let the "Hunters" of the state decide...why go back to a system that had people shooting LESS Deer  ?? Poll the Hunters of the state!!!! Not every Tom,Dick &Harry that has a email address.....as the way the input works now!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2009 10:01:58 GMT -5
Any poll should include a scientific segment of the states deer hunters, plus a sampling of landowners who either hunt or don't but allow hunting. If the rule is not accepted by those that we hunt on for any reason, than it might need to be abandoned. Polls are expensive to conduct, but will result in a lot less debate.....but won't eliminate the debate all together.
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Post by Decatur on Oct 12, 2009 10:31:36 GMT -5
I say the DNR sets up an online vote for it, advertise the heck out of it, and get it settled once and for all. I wouldn't hate it so much if I KNEW the majority of hunters wanted it. Maybe set up something where when you buy a deer tag, you can vote, and then send a ballot to all lifetimers? Or it could be a phone in vote for the lifers, using their license number as an ID to avoid repeat voters?
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Post by Sasquatch on Oct 12, 2009 10:56:25 GMT -5
Exactly what do we mean by buck management? That could mean a lot of things.
Define the term.....
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 12, 2009 11:01:09 GMT -5
I think the OBR trial goes through the 2012 season. There is still no defining criteria for judging it's success or what. It will come down to another poll and whatever the majority of deer hunters want is what everyone will get.. Our own personal "buck management" happens when we decide to pull or not pull the trigger.. They could consider listening to the biologists.....? |
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 12, 2009 11:02:39 GMT -5
Exactly what do we mean by buck management? That could mean a lot of things. Define the term..... I think it means when I "manage" to luck into a buck. |
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Post by greghopper on Oct 12, 2009 12:02:50 GMT -5
I say the DNR sets up an online vote for it, advertise the heck out of it, and get it settled once and for all. I wouldn't hate it so much if I KNEW the majority of hunters wanted it. Maybe set up something where when you buy a deer tag, you can vote, and then send a ballot to all lifetimers? Or it could be a phone in vote for the lifers, using their license number as an ID to avoid repeat voters?  From mid-June to mid-August, 2006, a mail survey of Indiana resident deer hunters who purchased 2005 Indiana deer hunting licenses was conducted for the Indiana Department of Natural Resources (IDNR). A stratified, random sample of 10,480 Indiana resident deer hunters
was polled using contact information provided by IDNR through its point-of-sale database. After
removing undeliverable addresses (changed addresses, passings, refusals) final response was
47% (4,566 respondents); 62 of these indicated they had not deer hunted in the past 4 yearsand were removed from analysis, for a final response group of 4,504. Error tolerances for this sample are +/-1 percentage point (95% confidence level). Key findings revealed: �� Almost two-thirds of Indiana deer hunters characterize deer hunting as “one of my most important recreational activities” (62%), and 22% said deer hunting was their “most important recreational activity.” Indiana urbanites who are deer hunters are more likely than Indiana suburbanites and rural dwellers to characterize deer hunting as “my most important recreational activity.” �� Most Indiana deer hunters tended to rate the overall success of Indiana’s deer management program as “good” (55% statewide). More deer hunters were likely to evaluate the program as “excellent” (10% statewide) than “poor” (4% statewide). About one-quarter (26% statewide) characterized the program as “fair.” �� When asked to express their sentiments toward Indiana’s one-buck-rule as a continuing
regulation, 48% of Indiana deer hunters responded “strongly support,” and 23% said
“moderately support.” Indiana deer hunters who used only archery gear to deer hunt
were especially supportive of one-buck-rule (64% “strongly support”), as well as those
deer hunters using archery and muzzleloader gear only (62% “strongly support).�� Indiana deer hunters thought one-buck-rule (1) helped the state’s deer herd management, (2) provided them opportunity to harvest a buck (small or large), (3) increased their opportunity to harvest a big buck, and (4) increased the number of bucks they see. Neutral sentiment was expressed toward the effects of one-buck-rule on increasing the number of antlerless deer seen, number of big bucks seen, and limiting deer hunters’ chances to harvest the bucks they want. Indiana deer hunters as a group did not agree that one-buck-rule diminished their enjoyment of Indiana deer hunting. �� Of the various geographies over which one-buck-rule might be implemented (countyspecific, block of counties, public land only, private land only), Indiana deer hunters indicated support for (42% strongly, 22% moderately) one-buck-rule statewide in Indiana  |
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Post by Decatur on Oct 12, 2009 12:04:29 GMT -5
I never got one?
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