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Post by freedomhunter on Nov 29, 2007 18:08:27 GMT -5
showing up at 1 or 2am after a good drive then paying big fee, turned me off, oh and getting walked on both hunts, that too, turns into a big slap in the face
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Post by indianahick on Nov 29, 2007 18:30:47 GMT -5
Owning and using an ATV does not make one Lazy or not hard working. Age, bad back, are both excellent reasons for using one to put up ladder stands and to bring game out of the woods. One nice thing about it Long Path You may never have a bad back but you will hit that heart attack age. As for Crane it is a military installation, if the terrorist code has gone up then it shuts down all non essential personnel. That unfortunately means deer hunters and deer hunting.
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Post by cambygsp on Nov 29, 2007 19:17:02 GMT -5
I have found that most folks who hate ATV's are the ones that can't afford one, thats just my personal opinion.
We bought two Yamaha Grizzley's last January, this is our first deer season with them and I can tell you, they have made deer hunting MUCH more enjoyable for me. I primary hunt hardwood hills and I don't miss climbing those hills one bit this season. We have hunted every weekend and then some so far this year, between my son and I we have killed 3 deer , two of them we carried out on ATV's!
I think with ATV's I will be able to deer hunt till the day I die!
For me, deer hunting is supposed to be an enjoyable past time, NOT A CHORE!
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Post by Ahawkeye on Nov 29, 2007 19:45:51 GMT -5
"There is a difference between opinion and proof. What proof do you have? Do you have pictures or home movies of people intentionally destroying state property? If so that's already illegal. As far as I'm aware it's illegal to have an ATV on any state or national park property. At the moment there is only one state owned and approved riding area located between Linton and Dugger IN and there is another scheduled to open in the southern part of the state near Sturgeon IN. Both are or will be located on ground that has been extensively mined and is pretty much worthless for anything else. But for me to just hop on my Polaris and take off through the Hoosier National Forest or another state property to just ride or to go hunting is already illegal and while there might be some clause in the law for handicapped hunters with a permit to use one I don't know but I'm not aware of any. The use of ATVs is very restricted as we speak. You can either ride on the state property available and approved for use with an ATV or on private property with permission. If you have a state sticker some counties allow the use of ATVs on the county roadways. To use an ATV anyplace else is illegal as we speak. At minimum a person could be charged with criminal trespass and criminal mischief but I'm sure there is several other more serious crimes a person could be charged with for the illegal use of an ATV not to mention you could be held financially responsible for any damage you do while riding somewhere illegally. So what exactly are you advocating? Outlawing the use of ATVs on private property?"
I know what a deer track is I know what a turkey track is and I sure know what a 4 wheeler track is too! I'm prety sure what I see out on sugar ridge land and HNF land are 4 wheeler tracks or wait maybe I'm wrong maybe it's a wumpas cat thats it, sorry for the confusion! If your man enough to kill a deer you should be man enough to drag it out, if not hunt closer to the truck! "I have found that most folks who hate ATV's are the ones that can't afford one, thats just my personal opinion." I can assure you affording an ATV is not a problem the only thing I'm running low on in this situation is patience for those who either break the law or claim hardship to use one when they really have no need for an ATV. Not every one is faking a bad back or bum knee but some are. "Easy now. I am hard working not a lazy butt" Deertracks, If you are in need of one with a legit hardship then I say ok sorry for the stereo type. Owning and using an ATV does not make one Lazy or not hard working. Age, bad back, are both excellent reasons for using one to put up ladder stands and to bring game out of the woods. One nice thing about it Long Path You may never have a bad back but you will hit that heart attack age. Indianahick, As I have said before if you are in that bad of shape hunt closer to the truck.
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Post by hornharvester on Nov 29, 2007 20:23:32 GMT -5
Some of you have a lot of anger toward your fellow hunters. Hunters limiting other hunters isn't good for any of us. h.h.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 29, 2007 20:55:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure how we got waylaid on ATVs and the physically challenged.
Being somewhat physically challenged ( I cant pull a hunting weight bow back and I hunt with a crossbow) it does perturb me to no end that some folks like to paint all of us with a big brush just because a FEW cheat.
Lets stay with the subject of the base closiing to deer hunting..
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Post by mrfixit on Nov 30, 2007 4:49:08 GMT -5
I guess it's doubly official now as I got my phone call yesterday. One good thing about it is I won't have to go buy that new diesel truck with the larger cab I needed so I could sleep a little. Darnit! Those 1 AM arrivals there really suck! It sure makes for a looooooong day.
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Post by raporter on Nov 30, 2007 9:05:47 GMT -5
Not wanting to start something here "BUT", why in the world would anyone show up at a place at 1 AM then try and get some sleep in thier vehicle so they can go wander around woods they know nothing about? I know how beautifull Crane is, been there but would not go under these conditions.
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Post by dhayse32 on Nov 30, 2007 11:57:41 GMT -5
Not wanting to start something here "BUT", why in the world would anyone show up at a place at 1 AM then try and get some sleep in thier vehicle so they can go wander around woods they know nothing about? I know how beautifull Crane is, been there but would not go under these conditions. Very good point! There are people that work here that have their trees marked, they have scouted the land....a lot of state hunters come in not having a clue where they are going and in some cases screw up hunting for a lot of others because they are just wondering around the woods all morning!
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Post by jeremiahjohnson on Nov 30, 2007 12:37:21 GMT -5
Not wanting to start something here "BUT", why in the world would anyone show up at a place at 1 AM then try and get some sleep in thier vehicle so they can go wander around woods they know nothing about? I know how beautifull Crane is, been there but would not go under these conditions. Ah - all the more reason to get to know us Crane employees! You see, even though employees are not allowed to sponsor guests for archery hunting deer, we can sponsor guests during squirrel and turkey season. I sponsor friends during squirrel season and turkey season so we can hunt together and scout for deer season. I like letting people decide their own stand sites. By the way, I can tell you there were no ATV rules infractions. There are questions of enforcing the ATV rules on the books, but there are no known ATV rules infractions. To bring an ATV on base one must have written permission from Crane NR and their state disability license. Security is supposed to check for it, but it's not always happening, so ATV's are nixed until that communications problem is fixed. I haven't talked to anyone who said there were rules infractions during the handicapped hunt - so I'll say "undetermined" on that one for now. However, there were vehicles moving during the gun hunts that were not moving deer or leaving the area (verified). One of the problems that caused the cancellation is enforcement of the rules. Crane must enforce the rules on the books to maintain order during the gun hunts. The regs must be communicated to security better and the regs are getting a re-write with an enforcement mindset - that will take some time. And, as are all procedures and activities on base are receiving, a re-look based on latest RAC and HA is required - that will also take some time. Be patient folks. As was mentioned earlier Crane is not a state park it is a military base. As such, rules and enforcement are more than important - they can compromise the integrity of the base and that can't happen. All the paper and communications problems will be solved, but not likely this year. The security posture will eventually change and hunting will resume, but not likely this year. Dan assures me the 5k run is safe for the moment - different risks involved and have been addressed. Good news there.
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Post by hornharvester on Nov 30, 2007 13:22:47 GMT -5
Not wanting to start something here "BUT", why in the world would anyone show up at a place at 1 AM then try and get some sleep in their vehicle so they can go wander around woods they know nothing about? I know how beautifull Crane is, been there but would not go under these conditions. Very good point! There are people that work here that have their trees marked, they have scouted the land....a lot of state hunters come in not having a clue where they are going and in some cases screw up hunting for a lot of others because they are just wondering around the woods all morning! Answer this for me, how are state hunters going to know where to hunt in the section they pick or get assigned to if they don't walk around until they find a spot to hunt? Are they breaking any kind of rule walking around if they stay in their assigned area? How do you expect them to know where someone has a stand if they've never been there? A lot of guys like to spot and stalk hunt does that make them a bad hunter because someone else is sitting in a stand and they walk upon them? Heres an easy way to fix this problem, assign Crane employees to their own areas and the state hunters in the others and that way the Crane employees shouldnt have any gripe about the state hunters other than maybe the state hunters might kill a bigger buck. h.h.
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Post by freedomhunter on Nov 30, 2007 13:27:17 GMT -5
I always assumed the reason each hunter is not assigned a small area was because no one would go to the hunts, if that was the case. It sure would solve a lot of problems on these reduction hunts! The stalking around is just ridiculous on these hunts, imo, have some respect for other hunters.
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Post by jeremiahjohnson on Nov 30, 2007 13:32:35 GMT -5
hh - anyone that has a problem with a hunter walking around during the state hunt just isn't realistic. Realizing what it is - just as you described - everyone needs to just sit back, cool off and understand the situation.
However, that said, you can help yourself by befriending an employee and scouting out your area - I do it for people all the time. For my friends out of state and far away I'll send them a map of their area with several stand sites marked (in many cases with GPS coordinates so they can find it in the dark).
Hunting is a lifestyle my friends. It's all about friendships, fellowship, and enjoying the outdoors whether you're currently in them or not. Network with some Crane buddies and do your research if you want to increase your odds. I've never turned anyone away who asked me, "I've drawn for area X for date Y - can you recommend some good spots?"
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Post by hornharvester on Nov 30, 2007 13:52:18 GMT -5
J.J.
I applaud you for helping state hunters un-familiar with Crane but not everyone who applies has been there or knows someone who has. On these type hunts someone walking around trying to find a place to hunt shouldn't be scorned by others for ruining their hunt.
On the many hunts Ive been to that are draw with a lot of hunters attending I use the walkers to my advantage, they move deer! I find a spot where I can see and set, sooner or later a deer will come by.
This really is all about learning to share the woods with other hunters and some seem to have a hard time doing that. h.h.
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Post by raporter on Nov 30, 2007 14:00:18 GMT -5
JJ thanks for putting a positive slant on this subject. My wife and I used to love when Crane would open for the fall colors tour. It is a spectacular place.
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