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Post by hornharvester on Oct 17, 2007 18:19:45 GMT -5
If I have a set of rattling antlers in my truck do I need a tag on them? h.h.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2007 21:10:44 GMT -5
how many were laughfing when i asked woody if his buddys rack was legal
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Post by inhunter on Oct 17, 2007 21:34:42 GMT -5
I'm with Hick, we need some more info here. Say you find a say 140- 150 class deer dead pointless of where you find it woods or ditch you call the CO to get a permit can you be denied a permit to keep it and the CO hangs it in his garage? not pointing fingers here just trying to make a point. Is there going to be a grandfather clause for what we have now? What about the deer you have shot in years past. They don't have any tag to show what year they were shot? Only thing the DNR knows is if you shot a buck or a doe when you check them? Don't get me wrong I am not against this but I have a load of questions first lol
My 2 cents but only a sliver of questions lol
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 18, 2007 5:00:35 GMT -5
I know where a decent outside the ears 8 point is laying right now, I think it was hit by a vehicle, but it could be EHD......don't know.
Anyway, when we found him my son said we should cut the head off and keep the antlers.....I asked if he wanted to put his buck tag on it because I didn't. He said "but I didn't kill it"......it don't matter, it's DEER SEASON and it's a fresh kill, if we get stopped I don't want any questions.
Now, I did suggest that we leave it lay and check it in the spring, if the antlers are still good we would take them then....is that wrong?
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Post by kevin1 on Oct 18, 2007 6:41:42 GMT -5
Guys..we have just recieved notification from our division that the Law Enforcement division has established a policy that all bucks that are found dead must be legally tagged if you want to keep the antlers. Which means that it would count as your "one buck"? That would really make the OBR that much more oppressive. This is one of the times that I'm truly glad that I don't care about antlers.
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Post by RoadKill on Oct 18, 2007 7:04:49 GMT -5
Interesting. Wouldn't the antlers still be valid for B&C record book? (If they met the min. requirment). Maybe I need to do some walking Muscatatuck Refuge.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Oct 18, 2007 7:09:44 GMT -5
I guess if one guy poops his pants we all have to wear diapers. LOL LOL Good one!
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Post by Harley on Oct 18, 2007 7:24:37 GMT -5
I don't know about public property but if I found a dead buck on "my property" then the antlers are going straight into my barn without a word being said.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 18, 2007 7:34:08 GMT -5
I think this policy has been in effect for a long time but never really enforced all that much except in the cases of a catching a person doing something else wrong.
Because of all the dead bucks being found it appears that LE is stepping up the enforcement of this policy.
I have asked for clarification of this policy from the IDNR.
I believe that we a will have a LOT of "policy" breakers this season.....
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Post by birddog on Oct 18, 2007 8:23:49 GMT -5
I have picked up racks,cut racks from dead deer that were found either in the field ,along side the road probably for over 45 years now and never once..not once has anyone said anything about it being illegal to do this..not even a game warden!!!!!!!! Personally I think it's a law that is not on the side of the sportsman but allows game wardens to take a deer rack that they have no use for away from the sportsman...whyif I found a dead deer would I have to put a tag on the rack just to get it home...doesn't make any sense to me at all!!!!!
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Post by Hawkeye on Oct 18, 2007 9:29:48 GMT -5
What happens if some one ,a non hunter ,who finds a dead Deer on the side of the road picks it up to bury it or what ever reason,then is stopped by a CO.I saw a guy do this because he did not want buzzards,stink, and coyotes in his yard.
Arrested?,no hunting license?no deer tag?,confiscate his vehicle?,search his house?
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 18, 2007 19:57:44 GMT -5
Clarification from the IDNR...
My question...
I understand that the Law Enforcement division has established a policy that all bucks that are found dead must be legally tagged if a person wants to keep the antlers. I can see the problem you all might have with seperating a poached deer from all the "found deer" from EHD. Is that the rationale behind this policy? My question is - Will the COs still be able to issue possession permits like they have always been able to do in the past or are we supposed to leave those antlers in the woods? If the COs don't or cant issue permits I think there will be a lot of law breakers
Their answer...
That is the rationale. There are literally hundreds of deer dead from EHD and the concern is that some not so sporting sportsmen will take their deer and then pass it off as a found deer in order to continue hunting for bigger racks. It has never technically been legal to take parts of a deer from the wild that was not legally harvested and tagged. Our officers have used good discretion in the past related to this concern and as always we have asked the officers to use sound discretion duing this season. Hopefully we won't have to deal with huge numbers of dead deer next year.
I then questioned...
Then COs can still issue possession permits? They answered..
Yes, as they always could.
We wanted to get everyone on the same page due to the unusual number of requests we will receive this year. The point remains that the practice of removing parts from a freshly killed deer causes a decision and depending on the circumstances that decision could not be what the hunter expected. The only way to be absolutely clear is to use a tag. Obviously we don't want to make violators out of those who were not intentionally breaking the law.
Guys and gals,
If you find a dead one that you want to salvage the antlers by all means call your local CO and get a possession permit.
Pretty simple..
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Post by indianagooseman on Oct 18, 2007 20:12:01 GMT -5
The Sheriff can also issue the permits.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 18, 2007 20:37:21 GMT -5
The Sheriff can also issue the permits. That is true.
Thanks..
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Post by mbogo on Oct 19, 2007 8:47:48 GMT -5
My father asked a local CO about the rack he found shortly after finding it. The CO told him that no tag was needed and seemed to think he was crazy for even asking.
Perhaps that is the point.
Since when has making something illegal stopped criminals from doing anything?
No, the way to be absolutely clear is to work on catching the poachers and not put the burden on law abiding citizens and hunters.
Apparently they do want to make violators out of innocent people.
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Post by hotshot on Oct 19, 2007 9:38:23 GMT -5
Don't murder teh messenger guys. Greendeem didn't have to let you know. Several years back, somone shot a deer from a road-before daylight, and before cellphones. Walking back to my truck I happened upon the dead deer. It had run a few hundred yards before dying. I went home called the sherriff's office. I was issued a road kill tag, and took it to be checked in- free venison. Another time, the sherriff reserve officer that lives across the street from me called and asked if I wanted a deer that had been hit. While not much of it was in good condition- I was able to cut out the back straps. Best part- I didn't have to gut it too- just cut along teh back bone and lifted them out. Had a tag waiting for me at the sherriff's office, since my neighbor called ahead. It's a phone call guys, not your 25 dollar buck tag!
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 19, 2007 10:07:37 GMT -5
My father asked a local CO about the rack he found shortly after finding it. The CO told him that no tag was needed and seemed to think he was crazy for even asking. I think that has pretty well been it in the past - in most cases. The point is it has really been illlegal for a long time. Just not enforced as much as it maybe should be. . I don't think having a "law abiding citizen" call in for a permit is a "burden". No, what he is saying is that since the EHD is giving the poacher an out that they are going to better enforce a law that has been on the books for quite sometime.
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Post by freedomhunter on Oct 19, 2007 10:37:27 GMT -5
I'm sure the CO's don't like to have to enforce ridiculous stuff like this on law abiding citizens, considering they have worked their hind ends off to become one of the state's most elite and highest ranking enforcement officers. I agree, don't blame the messengers.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Oct 19, 2007 11:22:00 GMT -5
Thanks Woody. Agreed. Thank greendeem for sharing the info.
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Post by raporter on Oct 19, 2007 11:40:43 GMT -5
I do not think anyone was bashing Greendeem for the info. I am sure he expected some of this reaction and is not taking it personal. Again, Thank you GreenDeem for your service.
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