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Post by firstwd on Feb 5, 2009 20:20:07 GMT -5
No limits put on guns will not make the woods safe for hunters or residents, but not allowing HPRs in the woods in the fall makes the likely hood of houses getting shot a little less.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 5, 2009 20:41:27 GMT -5
Let's stick to the subject guys..
Leave the personal stuff off, OK?
TIA.
WW
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Post by shouldernuke on Feb 5, 2009 21:00:07 GMT -5
You guys wanting these hi-power rifles for deer hunting have a problem getting close to deer? Actually not in the least .Woody has seen pics of the deer I have take on another site I unfortunatly do not know how to post up here and really do not think I want to .The CFR is just a gun just like any other its the loose nut on the trigger of any of them it really dose not matter though . |
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Post by mrfixit on Feb 6, 2009 6:23:59 GMT -5
You guys wanting these hi-power rifles for deer hunting have a problem getting close to deer? Naw not really. Gettin' close ain't a problem at all I just think it suxors I have to travel to Georgia every year to use my .35 Remington lever gun when it reality it is no more powerful than any of the modern muzzle loaders currently legal here in the great state of Indiana. The .35 Remington is a great round for deer with an effective range of maybe 2-300 yds at best under perfect conditions, much like my TC Encore. The 30/30 has a little more effective range that's why it is probably the #1 deer round in history of rifle hunting deer. It really is to bad the hunters in the state can't enjoy hunting with a round designed for deer size game instead we are left to hunt with overachieving pea shooters designed for close range combat. I really don't understand this great fear of center fire rifles and the need to nanny but hey I'm really truly trying to understand. |
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Post by dbd870 on Feb 6, 2009 7:25:27 GMT -5
Told you; fear and emotions always carry the day - you are in no more danger if they are allowed or if they aren't; PA proved that.
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Post by huxbux on Feb 6, 2009 8:46:59 GMT -5
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Post by mbogo on Feb 6, 2009 10:31:51 GMT -5
I would like to see the 10mm added to the handgun list. Since the .357 mag is legal the 10mm definately should be as well. I would like to see the 10 mm along with a couple of other cartridges added to the legal handgun lists also. I don't see it as very likely or practical with the way our current handgun regs. are written. |
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Post by steiny on Feb 8, 2009 10:11:33 GMT -5
I think they need to leave the regs the way they are.
If long range centerfire rifles such as; 270,30-06, 7mm, 300 mag, etc. were made legal, you could really put the hurt on the deer in the open country like we have around here.
A common escape tactic for mature bucks in open country is to just go way out into the middle of a large agricultural field and lay down, because most of the wood lots have a hunter in them. As it stands, you can't get within range for a shot without them seeing you, and that is how they make it to old age. I see this all the time around here. Now .... give me a 400 yard weapon and those bucks are in trouble.
There has to be a few restrictions to give the game a sporting chance of escape.
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Post by schall53 on Feb 8, 2009 10:21:41 GMT -5
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Post by Decatur on Feb 8, 2009 11:04:48 GMT -5
Sporting chance? Some people won't be happy until they're allowed to hunt over a bait pile, shoot deer with their 300 Win Mag, and are allowed to run deer with dogs behind a high fence.
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Post by oldhoyt on Feb 8, 2009 14:13:31 GMT -5
I'm from a state that allows rifles in most areas. Shotguns were required in zones where there was high density development.
I hunted with high powered rifles for years. Never took a shot longer than 100 yds. The benefit I would realize from a HPR is the ability to hit a small target with precision from ranges up to 100 yds. Shotguns and MLs these days have been re-engineered to the point where they can do this adequately, but they do not compare to HPRs.
If I have an opportunity to shoot a buck at 50 - 75 yds, and I have a 3" window to shoot through, and you give me the choice to use an HPR, a shotgun or ML, I'll take the HPR. It's the best tool for the job.
As for shooting 300+ yds across open fields, I wouldn't do it even if I had the chance. It's a major pain where I live to get to a range to shoot, and they don't have anything past 100 yds. With a 2-3" high sight-in, a gun like a 270, 308 or 30/06 MPBR will be at 200-225 yds or so. So, in theory, a dead-on hold will kill the deer. But IMO shooting much past that range you can practice at is asking for trouble. I could be wrong, but I don't think the average guy could hit a deer at 300 yds half the time. It takes practice.
In IN where I hunt now, if I could use an HPR, I can honestly say I wouldn't shoot more than 150 yds and that would only be with an absolutely steady rest at a deer that was standing still.
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Post by steiny on Feb 8, 2009 17:13:13 GMT -5
Oldhoyt -
Killed my last muley at 365 yards, last elk at 340 yards, killed a moose at 400 yards (big target), but the point I am trying to make is that with the right equipment, a steady rest, and a laser rangefinder so you know your yardage, 400 yards and under is very doable ..... and really not all that tough. My buddies and I were shooting a 12" square plate yesterday which lasered 286 yards and were whacking it repeatedly, we were shooting a 222, a 270 and a 30-06.
Shooting at ranges like that in the west is commonplace, and you may not get your game if you can't shoot any further than 150 yards. Give us that advantage in Indiana and you could decimate the deer in the open country.
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Post by Decatur on Feb 8, 2009 18:33:31 GMT -5
I agree Steiny!
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Post by mrfixit on Feb 8, 2009 19:31:15 GMT -5
Your only allowed a certain amount of kills either by lawful limit, the cost of licensing or by the sheer logistics of keeping it frozen. Eventually one or the other will stop your hunting efforts. What difference does it make if a person takes their limit at 50 yds or 300 yds as long as long as they do it safely and humanely? In some respects the fact people are using a round designed for deer size game at ranges out to 300 yds rather than one designed for combat ranges out to 50 yds would be more humane and better for the overall health of the herd. You wouldn't have near as many wounded deer that die a day or two or even a week later and aren't found until mushroom season. Instead of killing two deer to fill one tag it would be one deer killed and one deer tagged and in the freezer, going against the hunters total bag limit.
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Post by danf on Feb 8, 2009 20:23:19 GMT -5
I agree mrfixit! Hunters will only kill as many deer as will fit in their freezers or freezers of people wanting the meat. To simply assume that increased range alone will decimate a herd is wrong. Yes, there may be a few more deer taken, but I bet once the herd is back to where it SHOULD be population-wise the biologists will reduce the allowable number of does in a given county. Regardless, I don't see HPR's being allowed any time soon. Slob hunters will be slob hunters, regardless of whether they have a shotgun, muzzleloader, PCR or HPR slung over their shoulder.  I think that is the biggest fear I'm seeing here- someone will make an irresponsible shot with an HPR and everyone will know about it. Guess what- irresponsible shots are taken regardless of the gun in hand! |
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Post by oldhoyt on Feb 9, 2009 7:44:24 GMT -5
The idea of rifles decimating the deer herd does not hold water. The herd is regulated by the number of tags you can buy.
There is an efficiency that would be realized with HPRs in the number of deer that are taken home, that is certain. I would not be surprised if HPRs would result in fewer deer killed overall, when the number of deer that are wounded/lost by shotguns and MLs is factored in. Maybe it's a wash, hard to say. Anyway, until the DNR's approach to issuing tags results in the herd being reduced to levels that are clearly too low, I'll trust them to keep the numbers reasonable.
Thinking about long shots a little more. Where I hunt, if I tried to shoot a deer at 300 yds, most of the time I'd be breaking the law as the few properties I have permission on are so small the deer would be on someone else's land.
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Post by steiny on Feb 9, 2009 18:37:59 GMT -5
Would be lots of 300 yard shootin opportunities in this neck of the woods.
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Post by Gunsafe on Feb 10, 2009 21:08:43 GMT -5
im with dan on this one
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Post by timinmishawaka on Feb 17, 2009 10:03:46 GMT -5
I'll be the third to chime in on the 10mm. I agree that it should be a legal round especially if they're going to allow the .44 special and the .45 long colt. But I understand why the DNR took the stance they did. Outside of desert eagle, the list of legal handgun rounds is pretty much a revolver proposition. Probably makes for easier field enforcement of the rules.
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Post by danf on Feb 17, 2009 10:12:11 GMT -5
Outside of desert eagle, the list of legal handgun rounds is pretty much a revolver proposition. Ummmmmm, T/C Contender, T/C Encore, MOA, BF, EA Brown, XP-100 (though it would probably be a custom chambering) just to name a few that ARE NOT revolvers. The 10mm is legal in several other states. But then again, several other states have an "any centerfire .22 caliber and over" rule too. |
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I think that is the biggest fear I'm seeing here- someone will make an irresponsible shot with an HPR and everyone will know about it. Guess what- irresponsible shots are taken regardless of the gun in hand!