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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 14, 2008 7:53:46 GMT -5
Jack,
You said - "Now if you want to add sling shots, bowier knives, or spears to early bow season I wouldn't have a problem with it.........."
Now you say - "I don't want any new weapon of any kind added to any existing season or taken away from any season.
That "sling shots, bowier knives, or spears" is a "change in the rules" right?
Please show me where any state has had a negative impact to their hunting, seasons or the deer herd by the introduction of crossbows.
This argument is like it was back in the '70s with compoudnd bows..you do hunt with a compound bow don't you?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2008 8:16:40 GMT -5
Jack is just against change period. If your going to be proactive in the game management business, you have to be willing to accept change and stay ahead of the game. When all the dynamics of game management change, so will hunters and the managers.
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Post by racktracker on Aug 14, 2008 10:38:48 GMT -5
Who REALLY cares what someone else hunts with? That is his or her choice, not mine. They shouldn't be concerned about what I hunt with either.
Do your own thing and let others do theirs.
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 14, 2008 14:00:36 GMT -5
Just in the past week or so I have read several posts on internet hunting message boards where folks are just now getting their bows out, some are even having some issues with their bows........Heck, archery season starts in a month!
But I don't think thats a threat to hunting!
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Post by 10point on Aug 14, 2008 16:01:53 GMT -5
Just in the past week or so I have read several posts on internet hunting message boards where folks are just now getting their bows out, some are even having some issues with their bows........Heck, archery season starts in a month! But I don't think thats a threat to hunting! I am one of those. I have had my bow once in the past week and my season starts 9/15. I don't like the heat at night but now that it is getting cooler at night I will start shooting some more. I subscribe to the theory of not shooting to much. Try to shoot 20 arrows at least 3 times a week during the season. Haven't had a bad shot in a long time.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 14, 2008 16:24:01 GMT -5
Just in the past week or so I have read several posts on internet hunting message boards where folks are just now getting their bows out, some are even having some issues with their bows........Heck, archery season starts in a month! But I don't think thats a threat to hunting! I subscribe to the theory of not shooting too much. I agree. I think one can overdue it. I used to shoot 100 arrows an evening and I found that the last 25 or so was just going through the motions and not really concentrating. IOW - I was getting tired and starting to make bad shots. Making bad shots can get addictive and the next thing you know the form is off and you cant figure out what went wrong.. Not enough bowhunters practice during season. They shoot and shoot prior to season and then MAYBE they might shoot one arrow at a leaf before they get down in the morning as "practice".
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Post by indianahick on Aug 14, 2008 17:29:35 GMT -5
Over practice can and does cause problems with form and shooting. 10point has a great idea there. Don't over shoot. I know that when I over practice I end up with elbows and shoulders hurting and then end up compensating form to ease the discomfort.
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Post by Decatur on Aug 14, 2008 18:44:22 GMT -5
I shoot a practice arrowevery time before I leave my stand. It keeps proper form in memory, and keeps my confidence up.
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Post by freedomhunter on Aug 14, 2008 19:22:43 GMT -5
You can shoot 3 arrows a day and keep practice, I try to limit it to 15 an afternoon. Once you get tired, the benefit is gone.
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Post by old3arrows on Aug 14, 2008 19:54:54 GMT -5
Freedomhunter, I resemble that remark! ;D
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Post by Decatur on Aug 14, 2008 20:10:22 GMT -5
I also used to get up every morning for the month before season get dressed for work, then go out and sit on my ground blind stool at 20 yards and shoot one arrow, just like I was deer hunting. You can't believe how much confidence that gives you knowing you can make that first, cold muscled arrow count every time. Got my first deer the year I did that! Shot him at about 7:15 opening morning.
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Post by jackryan on Aug 15, 2008 0:03:58 GMT -5
Jack is just against change period. If your going to be proactive in the game management business, you have to be willing to accept change and stay ahead of the game. When all the dynamics of game management change, so will hunters and the managers. Now explain that to Woody. He seems to be having difficulty grasping the concept. Now you and I could have a conversation. We both understand english and what the point of contention actually is.
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Post by pav on Aug 15, 2008 5:36:47 GMT -5
Just in the past week or so I have read several posts on internet hunting message boards where folks are just now getting their bows out, some are even having some issues with their bows........Heck, archery season starts in a month! But I don't think thats a threat to hunting! Well, I certainly hope you don't! We're more than six weeks from the early archery opener, and bowhunters are already out practicing. That is great! Hopefully, they will be practicing using broadheads in the next few weeks and be ready on October 1st. Not sure what your point is? I sit in a treestand for six weeks prior to the firearm opener. Based on shooting noise in the area, it is pretty obvious when the calendar is just a few days from the firearm opener. Are you implying these people are irresponsible hunters for not sighting in their slug guns more than a few days before season?
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Post by pav on Aug 15, 2008 5:46:55 GMT -5
I also used to get up every morning for the month before season get dressed for work, then go out and sit on my ground blind stool at 20 yards and shoot one arrow, just like I was deer hunting. You can't believe how much confidence that gives you knowing you can make that first, cold muscled arrow count every time. Amen! Cold muscles are definitely a factor in bowhunting. First arrow means everything.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 15, 2008 7:38:56 GMT -5
Just in the past week or so I have read several posts on internet hunting message boards where folks are just now getting their bows out, some are even having some issues with their bows........Heck, archery season starts in a month! But I don't think thats a threat to hunting! Well, I certainly hope you don't! We're more than six weeks from the early archery opener, and bowhunters are already out practicing. That is great! Hopefully, they will be practicing using broadheads in the next few weeks and be ready on October 1st. Not sure what your point is? I sit in a treestand for six weeks prior to the firearm opener. Based on shooting noise in the area, it is pretty obvious when the calendar is just a few days from the firearm opener. Are you implying these people are irresponsible hunters for not sighting in their slug guns more than a few days before season? The "point" is it is not all that big challenge that you say it is. Not all bowhunters are shooting their bows right now. Some wont pick them up until late September, if then. Some will shot a half dozen shots the night before and think that is enough. Do you think that "bowhunters" are "irresponsible of they don't sight in their bows until a a few days before season?"
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Post by Old Ironsights on Aug 15, 2008 9:07:57 GMT -5
... Are you implying these people are irresponsible hunters for not sighting in their slug guns more than a few days before season? Irresponsible? Not sure I would go that far - at least considering the cost of Slugs - but I do see the "don't touch the gun until just before season" attitude as a significant factor in missed and wounded deer...
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Post by pav on Aug 15, 2008 9:31:36 GMT -5
Well, I certainly hope you don't! We're more than six weeks from the early archery opener, and bowhunters are already out practicing. That is great! Hopefully, they will be practicing using broadheads in the next few weeks and be ready on October 1st. Not sure what your point is? I sit in a treestand for six weeks prior to the firearm opener. Based on shooting noise in the area, it is pretty obvious when the calendar is just a few days from the firearm opener. Are you implying these people are irresponsible hunters for not sighting in their slug guns more than a few days before season? The "point" is it is not all that big challenge that you say it is. Taking a deer with a compound bow is "not all that big challenge" compared to what? I'll give you the fact it is even more challenging with a stick bow.....but after that....what exactly are you saying? Apparently, the NBEF needs to go back and survey bowhunters again, because that last time they asked "challenge" was the number one reason people started bowhunting. Guess they should have asked you first? I have to ask, how challenging do you feel taking a deer with a firearm is?
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Post by pav on Aug 15, 2008 9:43:06 GMT -5
Well, I certainly hope you don't! We're more than six weeks from the early archery opener, and bowhunters are already out practicing. That is great! Hopefully, they will be practicing using broadheads in the next few weeks and be ready on October 1st. Not sure what your point is? I sit in a treestand for six weeks prior to the firearm opener. Based on shooting noise in the area, it is pretty obvious when the calendar is just a few days from the firearm opener. Are you implying these people are irresponsible hunters for not sighting in their slug guns more than a few days before season? Do you think that "bowhunters" are "irresponsible of they don't sight in their bows until a a few days before season?" Not if that is all you are giving me as criteria. Every bowhunter has an effective range. That effective range is going to vary based on ability, equipment and practice (both amount and quality of practice). By limiting the amount of quality practice, the bowhunter has reduced his/her potential effective range. Now, *IF* the bowhunter takes a shot at a live animal outside that effective range....yes, I would call that irresponsible.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 15, 2008 11:11:42 GMT -5
The "point" is it is not all that big challenge that you say it is. I have to ask, how challenging do you feel taking a deer with a firearm is? When you quote... quote the whole statement. Makes more sense that way. I said... I'm saying that being successful with a compound bow is not all that tough or challenging - UNLESS the hunter is being very, very selective in what they will and will not shoot. Then it is the selectivity and not the archery equipment that makes it challenging.. What would you expect them to say? "Because we can get a jump on the gun hunters and have a season all to ourselves"? I think a lot of floks are getting tired of SOME bowhunters that claim that bowhunting is such a great challenge and bowhunters are better hunters than anyone else. That gets old. You flat skipped over my statement of me knowing many bowhunters (as do you) and I do not know of but a small very small minority that is not successful UNLESS they are holding out for Mr. Big. Do you know any "any deer" bowhunters that put in any time at all and that is not successful? Fess up... how hard is it to kill a deer (any deer) with a bow?
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 15, 2008 11:20:42 GMT -5
Do you think that "bowhunters" are "irresponsible of they don't sight in their bows until a a few days before season?" Not if that is all you are giving me as criteria. Every bowhunter has an effective range. That effective range is going to vary based on ability, equipment and practice (both amount and quality of practice). By limiting the amount of quality practice, the bowhunter has reduced his/her potential effective range. Now, *IF* the bowhunter takes a shot at a live animal outside that effective range....yes, I would call that irresponsible. Some archers are more natural at it than others and do not require the same amount of time to acheive proficency with a bow. That time period dropped drastically with advent of the compound bow. Like I said a lot don't even mess with their bows until a week or two before the archery season. The difference in compoounds and recurves are so great that some traditionalist dont even call compounds bows. In fact the Olympics does not recognize compounds as archery equipment Now tell me how shooting and hunting with a crossbow would be any different that what you have just stated about compound bows.
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