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Post by Ahawkeye on Aug 11, 2008 9:17:14 GMT -5
Slob hunters who only care about themselves and their agenda. They paint a picture for anti's and non hunters that covers all of us, it would take 10 good hunters to fix or cover up the actions of one or two slob hunters. What do you mean by "slob hunters" Just trying to understand your opinion, not being negative. The guys that leave trash in the parking areas, ride an ATV where they're not suposed to or screw over a land owner, many times I've asked for permision and been denied due to slob hunters. These are the types that put a bad name out there for all of us.
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Post by indianahick on Aug 11, 2008 10:04:36 GMT -5
commercialization: The leasing of huge tracts of land; then charging exorbitant amounts for hunting privileges. Dissension: Those that are unwilling to see how bringing in other forms of hunting equipment would help by both bringing in new hunters and extending the seasons of some that are already here. Loss of Habitat: From strip malls, to interstate highways and the clutter that comes with them, fast food, mini marts, motels, just plain old concrete.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 11, 2008 11:08:51 GMT -5
....... The enemy we need to focus on is ourselves.......factions deeply rooted in tradition who are unwilling to change. ONE example of this is the crossbow expansion focus in recent years. State Game Agency need tools to manage their changing deer herds, and crossbow expansion is always on top of the short list as one that is needed or will be needed to help them out in multiple ways. Yet wehave seen tremendous opposition to any efforts to expand on any crossbow hunting in most any state that takes it on, even though the overall effect of a crossbow expansion is almost non-existant. And so it goes.....one faction against another. It'll be the number 1 factor if hunting goes down the tubes. It is a case of the "haves" against the "have nots.." The "haves" have it all to themsleves and don't want any others in "their deer woods" killing "thier deer" or to participate in "their season".
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Aug 11, 2008 13:01:47 GMT -5
I have to agree with Timex and say the biggest threat to hunting is ourselves. While hunters are arguing amongst themselves about when seasons should be and what weapons should be allowed the anti's and some non-hunters are trying to bring forth more and more laws to restrict or totally disallow hunting altogether. We just all need to band together and do what is best for hunting as a whole and not what is best for each individual group.
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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Aug 11, 2008 13:50:06 GMT -5
I think loss of habitat is right up there...There are a few places where I started out hunting that are nothing but housing additions now (and most of them are sitting empty now because the people couldn't afford them or they lost their job)...I hate to think of what the next 10-15 years will look like...The next thing I do when I finish school and get a new job is buy some hunting ground...
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Post by bbarth on Aug 11, 2008 17:52:30 GMT -5
Loss of access to hunting grounds, through a variety of reasons.
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Post by 76chevy on Aug 11, 2008 18:50:22 GMT -5
leasing/access to landlower middle and middle class hunters are watching their old spots get leased up every year. What do you believe is the biggest threat to hunting today? Anti's Non-Hunters Ourselves Loss of Habitat Other
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Post by steiny on Aug 11, 2008 19:49:22 GMT -5
Loss of habitat is huge.
However .............. in my opinion the sport of hunting has never been better.
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Post by 76chevy on Aug 11, 2008 20:13:19 GMT -5
I totally agree with you on this one, Woody. ....... The enemy we need to focus on is ourselves.......factions deeply rooted in tradition who are unwilling to change. ONE example of this is the crossbow expansion focus in recent years. State Game Agency need tools to manage their changing deer herds, and crossbow expansion is always on top of the short list as one that is needed or will be needed to help them out in multiple ways. Yet wehave seen tremendous opposition to any efforts to expand on any crossbow hunting in most any state that takes it on, even though the overall effect of a crossbow expansion is almost non-existant. And so it goes.....one faction against another. It'll be the number 1 factor if hunting goes down the tubes. It is a case of the "haves" against the "have nots.." The "haves" have it all to themsleves and don't want any others in "their deer woods" killing "thier deer" or to participate in "their season".
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Post by jgrimm on Aug 11, 2008 20:33:12 GMT -5
urban growth and outfitters buying up all the ground making it a rich mans sport
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2008 21:40:32 GMT -5
you don,t have to read past the first post from hp
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Post by mullis56 on Aug 11, 2008 23:10:48 GMT -5
what is wrong with bow hunting?
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Post by jackryan on Aug 12, 2008 2:47:15 GMT -5
Slob hunters who only care about themselves and their agenda. They paint a picture for anti's and non hunters that covers all of us, it would take 10 good hunters to fix or cover up the actions of one or two slob hunters. What do you mean by "slob hunters" Just trying to understand your opinion, not being negative. Slobs don't bother with a shooting range. The whole HNF or any where else they can prop a pop bottle on a stick is their shooting range. Fire lanes, where ever they happen to camp, you name it. The trees will be all shot up, any sign will have bullet holes in it and pop cans will be laying every where full of bullet holes. When they leave they will leave what ever garbage, carcass, or junk they shot up over the weekend. It may be where they camped or right where you step out of the truck to park. They aren't hard to find or follow. They leave a piece of plastic tied to a tree limb about ever 10 feet from the time they close the truck door until they get to their stand or camp.
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 12, 2008 4:45:50 GMT -5
Although many of these points are very valid, I think the biggest threat is the lack of youth hunters that we are recruiting.
Fewer and fewer kids are hunting each year for a variety of reasons. Parents don't or gave up hunting, the anti's getting their message into the school system, the hunter education requirement (of the past), year round organized sports the list just goes on and on.
Without a new generation of hunters, who will be hunting in 20 years?
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Post by pav on Aug 12, 2008 4:49:16 GMT -5
Apathy
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Post by Ahawkeye on Aug 12, 2008 5:01:33 GMT -5
Although many of these points are very valid, I think the biggest threat is the lack of youth hunters that we are recruiting. Fewer and fewer kids are hunting each year for a variety of reasons. Parents don't or gave up hunting, the anti's getting their message into the school system, the hunter education requirement (of the past), year round organized sports the list just goes on and on. Without a new generation of hunters, who will be hunting in 20 years? All good points but I really don't see a problem with organized sports, I'm 32 and can remember playing something all year long, the whole time I was still thinking about deer ducks and fish. In the long run as long as you plant the seed when game time is over they'll want something else to do, they'll come back to the woods field or lake IMO
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Post by drs on Aug 12, 2008 6:20:12 GMT -5
I think loss of habitat is right up there...There are a few places where I started out hunting that are nothing but housing additions now (and most of them are sitting empty now because the people couldn't afford them or they lost their job)...I hate to think of what the next 10-15 years will look like...The next thing I do when I finish school and get a new job is buy some hunting ground... I think loss of habitat is right up there...There are a few places where I started out hunting that are nothing but housing additions now (and most of them are sitting empty now because the people couldn't afford them or they lost their job)... The very same thing happen in my former location. Everytime I target pratice, some of my Neighbors would not care for my shooting. Also I was very limited on where I could safely shoot on my property in Vanderburgh Co. My Brother and I solved this problem; we simply sold-out and moved to Ky.I hate to think of what the next 10-15 years will look like...The next thing I do when I finish school and get a new job is buy some hunting ground... I predict, that hunting lands will become very hard to find in Indiana, as well as in other growing States. Be sure your New Job is in an area where you can purchase land with fewer neighbors.
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Post by 10point on Aug 12, 2008 8:05:22 GMT -5
OBR is the biggest threat to deer hunting!
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Post by Old Ironsights on Aug 12, 2008 9:49:19 GMT -5
Lawyers, doctors, and other phonies pretending to be hunters along with the phony hunters who are really politicions. The antis are like a gnat on a deers rump. Barely a nuisance compared to what the people who really don't want to hunt are doing to hunting trying to make it some kind of team sport, contest, or business. People who don't know which end goes up and think the animals there to sell the products instead of the products serving the purpose of hunting the animals. Instead of looking at what needs to be done biologically to sustain wildlife and continue a hunting culture for the future they will manipulate the rules to sell the most products and squeeze the last dollar out of the wild for themselves. Can't improve much on that. Might also say the "Fudd" complex (my way is the only way) but by in large making Hunting a competition, Pay-to-Play rich man's game will kill it fastest.
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Post by freedomhunter on Aug 12, 2008 17:48:46 GMT -5
Believe that loss of habitat would be the biggest threat. The fear of "antler worshippers" and such is nothing more than hunters negotiating achieving a proper buck age structure with quieting their fear of leasing and such. Secure your spots.
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