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Post by Bentwrench on Aug 7, 2008 20:44:15 GMT -5
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Post by Decatur on Aug 7, 2008 21:07:09 GMT -5
WOW! It would be great to have been a fly on the wall and see how everything really went down.
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Post by duff on Aug 7, 2008 21:22:12 GMT -5
Not defending anyone but the drug guys never know what they are getting into when doing a raid. Depending on the way the dog reacted to the task force they have a job to do. It sucks an inocent family was included...
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Post by jackryan on Aug 7, 2008 22:59:22 GMT -5
They should have MADE IT THEIR BUSINESS to know before they go busting doors down.
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Post by trapperdave on Aug 7, 2008 23:43:10 GMT -5
ditto
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 8, 2008 3:36:04 GMT -5
WOW!
The authorities get a hit on a package from a drug dog in AZ, and follow the package all the way to the east coast......and they didn't have time to research who the person was that the package was addressed to?
ALSO, the authorities didn't have time to notify the local police agency of the pending drug raid?
Sure sounds like someone screwed up BAD!
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 8, 2008 4:25:49 GMT -5
Jerks, this kind of thing just makes police relations worse than they already are.
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Post by parson on Aug 8, 2008 7:58:31 GMT -5
There is no justification for this kind of action by those who "serve & protect"! Most of the LEOs I have know are great people, but I have lived long enough to see a tremendous increase in this gung-ho attitude that sees every citizen as a potential perp!
The action taken in this incident was, according to a report that I read, in violation of the warrant that they had.
How would you ever get over the trauma of something like this happening in your home? Thank God that there were no children there.
I've often thought about a "wrong address" scenario happening in the middle of the night. What would you do if your front door was crashed in and the storm troopers came running through, weapons in hand, as you tried to awaken enough to figure out what was happening.
How many, such as myself, have a defensive firearm within reach that would likely make such an event a deadly encounter?
I know that accidents happen, but with a little research one can see that things like this are far too frequent.
I hope that heads roll, and that this violated family receives an astronomical settlement.
Who was it that said that those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither?.
parson
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 8, 2008 9:20:17 GMT -5
I agree parson.
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Post by indianahick on Aug 8, 2008 9:47:14 GMT -5
I notice that it keeps it pretty generic as to what law enforcement group did this. My opinion is that the dogs were killed for fun. Seems to me most labs would have come to the door with tongues hanging out and tails waving in the wind. If it was DEA or the Feebs nothing will happen to the killers and the people will have to fix the door and clean it up the mess all on their own. While I appreciate what the law enforcement people do I do believe that they need to be held liable for their actions. In cases like this too few are held liable. After all this was done to protect themselves.
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Post by duff on Aug 8, 2008 10:23:10 GMT -5
So we only get the one side to the story, what if the dog was attacking? Don't think a lab will protect the family, think again! Like I already said, I am not defending anyone but I can't read one story and decide to hang everyone involved.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Aug 8, 2008 10:47:46 GMT -5
No wonder they want us disarmed. Would have been a bunch of dead PEOPLE had it been my house.
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 8, 2008 11:03:41 GMT -5
So we only get the one side to the story, what if the dog was attacking? Don't think a lab will protect the family, think again! Like I already said, I am not defending anyone but I can't read one story and decide to hang everyone involved. According to the story the dog was leaving the area when shot.  Here's the part on the dogs from the Foxnews report. The clowns should absolutely be hammered. I'm all for not allowing any police officer to wear paramilitary clothing. |
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Post by Old Ironsights on Aug 8, 2008 11:13:44 GMT -5
From a little more reasearch it appears that the Drug Enforcers were State or County Thugs - not Feds (hence "police" not DEA). The Local Department/Chief of Police were not informed of the "raid" (assanation attempt?) and the FBI is now investigating.
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Post by duff on Aug 8, 2008 11:15:34 GMT -5
That's the problem with stories. We don't really know what happened yet we are more then willing to damn the task force based on a newpaper article. I guess I always feel there is more to a story then what is reported on these completely one sided reports. I could be wrong.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Aug 8, 2008 11:19:29 GMT -5
That's the problem with stories. We don't really know what happened yet we are more then willing to damn the task force based on a newpaper article. I guess I always feel there is more to a story then what is reported on these completely one sided reports. I could be wrong. Somthing tells me that if the story weren't true the local CHIEF OF POLICE wouldn't have been quoted as he was - nor would the FBI have opened an investigation, nor would have the Mayor been out to file a Civil Rights Suit. wjz.com/local/police.raid.mayor.2.788925.htmlSee also: wjz.com/local/police.raid.mayor.2.790454.htmlNot a lot of "one sided" there. |
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Post by Old Ironsights on Aug 8, 2008 13:38:13 GMT -5
Oh, this is going to be costly... The County Chief of Thugs has already decided to step down... A Prince George's police spokesman said last week that a Sheriff's Office SWAT team and county police narcotics officers were operating under such a warrant when they broke down the door of Berwyn Heights Mayor Cheye Calvo, shooting and killing his black Labrador retrievers.
But a review of the warrant indicates that police neither sought nor received permission from Circuit Court Judge Albert W. Northrup to enter without knocking. Northrup found probable cause to suspect that drugs might be in the house and granted police a standard search warrant.
"There's nothing in the four corners of the warrant saying anything about the Calvos being a threat to law enforcement," said Calvo's attorney, Timothy Maloney. "This was a lawless act by law enforcement." www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/05/AR2008080502664.htmlPatrick Murphy, the chief of the Berwyn Heights police, was not informed about the raid in advance. He reviewed the warrant and concluded Tuesday it did not contain the necessary language.
"There is no permission from the judge to treat this as a no-knock warrant. There is no affidavit of probable cause," Chief Murphy said. "The mayor demanded that they show him the warrant and they never did so." www.news8.net/news/stories/0808/541609.html |
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Post by Old Ironsights on Aug 8, 2008 14:03:04 GMT -5
Update on Berwyn Heights Botched Raid
Things are getting worse for Prince George’s County, Md. police officials after last week’s botched no-knock raid (previously chronicled on C@L here).
Not only did the police not have a warrant to conduct a no-knock raid, but it now appears they were well-aware that a drug ring was delivering large shipments of marijuana to innocent addressees’ homes in the D.C. suburbs. The packages would then be intercepted by other members of the ring, all without the addressees’ knowledge or involvement. Nonetheless, the cops executed their guns-ablazin’ raid on the home of Berwyn Heights mayor Cheye Calvo and his wife Trinity Tomsic, where the cops shot the couple’s black Labs and detained Calvo and his mother-in-law in handcuffs for hours.
The cops have now arrested the delivery truck driver and an accomplice who apparently orchestrated the Berwyn Heights shipment, and P.G. Police Chief Melvin C. High has conceded, ”Most likely, [Calvo and Tomsic] were innocent victims.”
Astoundingly, High refuses to admit that police did anything wrong in the raid. He says in today’s Washington Post:
"In some quarters, this has been viewed as a flawed police operation and an attack on the mayor, which it is not. This was about an address, this was about a name on a package . . . and, in fact, our people did not know that this was the home of the mayor and his family until after the fact."
I correct Chief High: When police officers execute a no-knock raid though they have no warrant or cause to do so, when they blast and shoot their way into a home without first learning who lives there, then they’ve carried out a flawed police operation. That’s the case regardless of whether Calvo and Tomsic are guilty of trafficking drugs.
In Prince George’s County, flawed law enforcement isn’t unusual. At least, in this case, the victims of the botched raid may have the social stature to fight back.
www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/08/07/update-on-berwyn-heights-botched-raid/Just... Wow. These same Mall Ninjas seem to get off on shooting innocent dogs during botched raids...
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Post by Sasquatch on Aug 8, 2008 14:49:29 GMT -5
I don't believe a couple of labs threatened the police. This behavior is more appropriate for Nazis than it is for police officers. Do any of you think we would have heard of this had the victims not been important? If they had been poor people in a trailer park we would never have known about it.
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Post by indianahick on Aug 8, 2008 15:25:36 GMT -5
I took the article to mean any law enforcement agency when they said police. As I could not understand how local (county) or state officers would not be aware that persons living at that address was not the local mayer and his wife. As the ones I said could have done it have earned that reputation.
After reading the research done by those that have researched this debacle I don't believe that the county chief was not aware of whose residence this was. He may not go to that house for supper or a BBQ but he darn should know the mayor and his wife. Since the mayor is his boss.
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