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Post by huntnprayn on Aug 4, 2008 9:28:56 GMT -5
Guess I don't get out enough. In nearly 40 years of hunting, I've never ran in to a a dicey situation in the field involving a meth lab, angry dogs, whacko poachers, crazed coyotes, mountain lions, big foot, or any other situation where I felt that I was in any kind of serious danger and really wished I had a hand gun for protection. I own hand guns and have a CCW permit but don't see much need to "pack iron" on a little Indiana deer hunt. That's just one more item to drag along and never get used. I guess if you feel threatened, maybe you better pack heat for your own piece of mind. Incidently, I've hunted a lot in Canada and Alaska where there are real critters out there; bears & wolves that could do you some harm if they took the notion. It's the exception, rather than the norm to ever see a guide packing a side arm, it's just dead weight.
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Post by Harley on Aug 4, 2008 10:16:28 GMT -5
Guess I don't get out enough. In nearly 40 years of hunting, I've never ran in to a a dicey situation in the field involving a meth lab, angry dogs, whacko poachers, crazed coyotes, mountain lions, big foot, or any other situation where I felt that I was in any kind of serious danger and really wished I had a hand gun for protection. I own hand guns and have a CCW permit but don't see much need to "pack iron" on a little Indiana deer hunt. That's just one more item to drag along and never get used. I guess if you feel threatened, maybe you better pack heat for your own piece of mind. Incidently, I've hunted a lot in Canada and Alaska where there are real critters out there; bears & wolves that could do you some harm if they took the notion. It's the exception, rather than the norm to ever see a guide packing a side arm, it's just dead weight. Hmmm, I have never been attacked out in public either but that doesn't stop me from carrying my concealed carry with me. I thought it was about being prepared not about if it has or had not happened to you before.!?!?!
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Post by Old Ironsights on Aug 4, 2008 11:46:14 GMT -5
...Incidently, I've hunted a lot in Canada and Alaska where there are real critters out there; bears & wolves that could do you some harm if they took the notion. It's the exception, rather than the norm to ever see a guide packing a side arm, it's just dead weight. In Canada, possession of a Handgun not made before 1890 or some such is essentially illegal. For "Bear Defense, the Canadials I know carry THESE: Which are not considered a "handgun" there and can be purchased from Dlask industries of Canada without a special permit. When I LIVED and hunted in Alaska the SMART people and guides carried nothing smaller than a .44, at all times, when in Bear country. I carried a .454. I never met a guide who didn't pack a sidearm. There is a very fine line between "dead weight" and Dead up there.
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 4, 2008 12:39:20 GMT -5
Guess I don't get out enough. In nearly 40 years of hunting, I've never ran in to a a dicey situation in the field involving a meth lab, angry dogs, whacko poachers, crazed coyotes, mountain lions, big foot, or any other situation where I felt that I was in any kind of serious danger and really wished I had a hand gun for protection. I own hand guns and have a CCW permit but don't see much need to "pack iron" on a little Indiana deer hunt. That's just one more item to drag along and never get used. I guess if you feel threatened, maybe you better pack heat for your own piece of mind. Incidently, I've hunted a lot in Canada and Alaska where there are real critters out there; bears & wolves that could do you some harm if they took the notion. It's the exception, rather than the norm to ever see a guide packing a side arm, it's just dead weight. Hmmm, I have never been attacked out in public either but that doesn't stop me from carrying my concealed carry with me. I thought it was about being prepared not about if it has or had not happened to you before.!?!?! Of course it is.
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Post by indianahick on Aug 4, 2008 13:05:51 GMT -5
Better prepared than not have it. This happened. My hunting buddy and I were hunting with another friend from Northern Indiana. He shot a deer and we tracked it out. When we got to the deer there were 4 other guys there and one had his hand on the bucks antlers saying his deer he shot it. Blood trail came from where we were not them. Two were standing around grinning with a couple of rifles. Laughter changed when the guy from up north pulled out a .45 and stuck it between the eyes of the guy that had hold of the deer. They left we kept the deer. That was absolutely the last time that I did not carry concealed. My personal opinion is if you voted opposed you voted to end concealed carry in archery. Is that what you really want?
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Post by huxbux on Aug 5, 2008 12:58:11 GMT -5
. My personal opinion is if you voted opposed you voted to end concealed carry in archery. Is that what you really want? IMO, if you voted opposed, you voted opposed to concealed carry period.
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Post by indianahick on Aug 5, 2008 13:16:14 GMT -5
While I believe that you may be correct on how that question would be interpreted state legislators as this is supposedly only effecting carry during archery I stuck to the guideline's of the survey. When it comes to any form of concealed carry I always vote to support concealed. After all I am just a small minded gun loving, God fearing mid westerner.
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Post by huxbux on Aug 5, 2008 19:55:40 GMT -5
There you go Indianahick, you're clinging again.
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Post by huntnprayn on Aug 5, 2008 22:02:12 GMT -5
...Incidently, I've hunted a lot in Canada and Alaska where there are real critters out there; bears & wolves that could do you some harm if they took the notion. It's the exception, rather than the norm to ever see a guide packing a side arm, it's just dead weight. In Canada, possession of a Handgun not made before 1890 or some such is essentially illegal. For "Bear Defense, the Canadials I know carry THESE: Which are not considered a "handgun" there and can be purchased from Dlask industries of Canada without a special permit. When I LIVED and hunted in Alaska the SMART people and guides carried nothing smaller than a .44, at all times, when in Bear country. I carried a .454. I never met a guide who didn't pack a sidearm. There is a very fine line between "dead weight" and Dead up there. And there is threat of bear attacks where in IN? It's bowhunting guys.
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Post by Harley on Aug 6, 2008 6:00:10 GMT -5
Just because you are bow hunting does not mean you should not have the right to protect yoursrelf. Just because you are in the woods and not walking down the city street does not mean you will not run into someone who would like to do you harm. How soon we forget the crazy guy that killed all of the deer hunters deep in the woods a couple years ago.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Aug 6, 2008 9:23:16 GMT -5
In Canada, possession of a Handgun not made before 1890 or some such is essentially illegal. For "Bear Defense, the Canadials I know carry THESE: Which are not considered a "handgun" there and can be purchased from Dlask industries of Canada without a special permit. When I LIVED and hunted in Alaska the SMART people and guides carried nothing smaller than a .44, at all times, when in Bear country. I carried a .454. I never met a guide who didn't pack a sidearm. There is a very fine line between "dead weight" and Dead up there. And there is threat of bear attacks where in IN? It's bowhunting guys. There are none. But there ARE meth labs, psycho tresspassers and other nasties in the woods. The point of the picture was to show that while it is true that Canadians don't carry "handguns" in the woods to protect themselves from big critters they DO carry heavy hand-held artillery... which is actually nearly illegal to own in the US. Frankly, while a Dlask shorty would be fun to own, I wouldn't carry it in Indiana either. I prefer my CCW.
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Post by trapperdave on Aug 6, 2008 9:25:20 GMT -5
must be rough living your life in fear of "what-ifs".................and coyotes.
before ya'll bash me, I'm in favor of concealed carry, even done it quite a bit when working in "less than freindly" environments. Just never felt scared or threatened in the woods(day or night)
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Post by trapperdave on Aug 6, 2008 9:26:29 GMT -5
Just because you are bow hunting does not mean you should not have the right to protect yoursrelf. Just because you are in the woods and not walking down the city street does not mean you will not run into someone who would like to do you harm. How soon we forget the crazy guy that killed all of the deer hunters deep in the woods a couple years ago. you mean all those ARMED deer hunters?
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 6, 2008 9:40:35 GMT -5
If we knew when we were going to need it, then we'd just avoid the place and time completely. Feeling scared or threatened has nothing to do with it. If you ever need one it will likely happen at a time and place you are least expecting it. That's the point.
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Post by Harley on Aug 6, 2008 10:02:46 GMT -5
you mean all those ARMED deer hunters? I'm pretty sure the story was that those armed deer hunters left their firearms at camp not knowing they were walking up on a loony with the intent of killing everyone. I guess they just foolishly thought they were safe and did not consider the "what if's".
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Post by trapperdave on Aug 6, 2008 10:14:47 GMT -5
you are tens of thousands of times more likely to be killed by a drunk driver on the way to the woods
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Post by Old Ironsights on Aug 6, 2008 10:15:19 GMT -5
you mean all those ARMED deer hunters? I'm pretty sure the story was that those armed deer hunters left their firearms at camp not knowing they were walking up on a loony with the intent of killing everyone. I guess they just foolishly thought they were safe and did not consider the "what if's". That and they were not combat veterans. The Shooter was... albeit as (IIRC) a guerrilla in Cambodia/Laos/VN. Nor were they in a State that believes in Self Defense. There is no CCW in Wisconsin. Without a belief in or understanding of the use of Lethal Force all they could do was freeze-up/flee/die. I carry a gun everywhere there isn't a metal detector. It's not paranoia, it's preparedness. No different than having a PFD handy while boating.
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Post by Harley on Aug 6, 2008 10:17:52 GMT -5
you are tens of thousands of times more likely to be killed by a drunk driver on the way to the woods That's why I wear my seatbelt and keep an eye out for people driving strangly. You make it sound like you need to be a victim first before you should prepare yourself for what "could" happen to you.
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 6, 2008 11:09:48 GMT -5
you are tens of thousands of times more likely to be killed by a drunk driver on the way to the woods That is irrelevant. Same response as before.
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Post by huxbux on Aug 6, 2008 18:33:43 GMT -5
We shouldn't really feel the need to justify our reasons for carrying a concealed weapon on our person while bow hunting. We do so because it's our right and that's the only reason we need give. I would love to hear the rationale behind prohibiting the practice.
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