Brian
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Post by Brian on Jul 30, 2008 19:50:37 GMT -5
I read it the other way Ironsights.... that being any weapon.. including personal carry weapons... So I strongly support the idea of being able to carry my hand gun while I am bow hunting. I dont see that way!!!! CCW is not even in the question... you can carry CW now any time you your HUNTING....Actually unless it is season you can not carry a firearm with you during archery season even if you have a permit....
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Post by Ahawkeye on Jul 30, 2008 20:53:35 GMT -5
The only reason I see to cary one is to turkey hunt with during bow season but once turkey goes out no need for the gun.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Jul 30, 2008 22:17:32 GMT -5
I voted in support, only because we don't need anymore stinking regulations saying what we can or can't do. Will I pack a gun during archery hunting ever ......... doubtful. Why would you want or need it? For exactly the same reason the Coasties demand you have a Life Preserver with you when in a boat. Just in case. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. That is the whole point behind CCW. When you grow long blond hair and pointed ears I'll believe you can do a "Legolas" on a Meth port-a-lab, Pot grow or pack of feral dogs. Until then Guns are better than Bows for self defense and should be carried just like any other piece of safety equipment.
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Post by danf on Jul 30, 2008 23:07:07 GMT -5
Actually unless it is season you can not carry a firearm with you during archery season even if you have a permit.... Have you read the rules and regs book? If you have, I suggest you re-read them. Make sure it's the current one. What you said is FALSE. You are legally allowed to carry a handgun while bowhunting IF you have a CW permit. That was changed a couple of years ago by emergency rule of then-Director Hupfer and Governer Daniels. It's been put into "permenant" status since then.
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Brian
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Post by Brian on Jul 31, 2008 0:14:12 GMT -5
I stand corrected I did not know they changed it for this year I know a friend was cited for carrying a handgun during bow season last yr and it cost him a small fortune in court because of it.and by the way he has a lifetime permit so that was not the issue. he was cited for carrying a firearm during archery season. Actually unless it is season you can not carry a firearm with you during archery season even if you have a permit.... Have you read the rules and regs book? If you have, I suggest you re-read them. Make sure it's the current one. What you said is FALSE. You are legally allowed to carry a handgun while bowhunting IF you have a CW permit. That was changed a couple of years ago by emergency rule of then-Director Hupfer and Governer Daniels. It's been put into "permenant" status since then.
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Post by huntnprayn on Jul 31, 2008 7:22:15 GMT -5
Ok so urban areas and meth lab areas.....beyond that......no need. I would think that before the season starts that you would know if there was a meth lab in your woods. Coyotes arnt going to bother you and bigfoot doesn't exist.
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 31, 2008 8:58:14 GMT -5
There is no way to 100% guarantee something bad could not happen; so CCW, absolutely in favor. BTW condesending cracks about bigfoot add nothing to the debate.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Jul 31, 2008 9:43:31 GMT -5
Ok so urban areas and meth lab areas.....beyond that......no need. I would think that before the season starts that you would know if there was a meth lab in your woods. Coyotes arnt going to bother you and bigfoot doesn't exist. Not true at all. A meth "lab" can be and often is set up out of a back pack in an out of the way area. We saw this quite a bit in Washington State - ESPECIALLY on USFS and NPS land. Ditto for pot grows. How about if you stumble upon a Poacher with a gun during Bow Season? Maybe you haven't noticed, but Poachers don't take kindly to being caught, and again, Legolas you ain't. And while Bigfoot might not be a problem, we know for a full-of-9mm-slugs fact that the Big Cats are moving back into the midwest. A CCW is not there because you want to use it, but because you might have to use it - just like the PFD in your boat. But hey, I used to be a competitive swimmer, so I shoud be able to tell the Sherriff/Coastguard that I really don't need to have a PFD in my boat... right?
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Post by jkd on Jul 31, 2008 16:02:00 GMT -5
Historically, there were two general reasons folks had asked about being able to carry a firearm while bowhunting deer...
1 - self-defense purposes, either 2-legged or 4-legged 2 - hunting options: to be able to pack a .22 for example, and start your day deer hunting, and then transition to an afternoon squirrel hunt without having to hike back out to the truck, or nailing that coyote that comes wandering past the stand running the deer out...
I took the survey to cover one or both of the above, poorly worded as it was, and inidicated strong support... not sure why they referenced shotgun either...
And has been said, for those of you who haven't experienced the raw thrill and adrenaline rush of being a solitary bowhunter in a woods when a pack of 3-4 large dogs comes running through as you're walking out for the evening, trust me when I say you WILL wish you had a pistol handy!!!! Not sure I could fit 3 arrows at a time through my biscuit 'a la Legolas...
PS - my memory is weak on this, but I think the rules change a year or so ago was for carrying pistols relative to carrying in state parks with a CCW... not sure they actually changed the hunting reg relative to archery rules... I would want to confirm that reality...
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Post by huntnprayn on Jul 31, 2008 16:30:55 GMT -5
There is no way to 100% guarantee something bad could not happen; so CCW, absolutely in favor. BTW condesending cracks about bigfoot add nothing to the debate. If I offended then I appologize. My point is that coyotes are afraid of humans and there is no need to protect yourself from them. I forget that some people hunt in areas that they may need to protect themselves from other people. I hunt over in Starke county.....maybe I should consider carrying. ;D
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Post by huntnprayn on Jul 31, 2008 16:33:33 GMT -5
There is no way to 100% guarantee something bad could not happen; so CCW, absolutely in favor. BTW condesending cracks about bigfoot add nothing to the debate. BTW I make condesending cracks to make points...... ...................oh well, just thought I's add that.
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Post by Harley on Jul 31, 2008 19:35:43 GMT -5
I thought the question was worded very poorly too. I believe we should have the right to protect ourselves even while hunting with a bow so if the question is about my CC then I am all for it. I don't necessarily think a person needs to be packing around a scoped deer rifle during bow season though. But then an unethical hunter will be an unethical hunter I suppose.
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Post by danf on Jul 31, 2008 19:49:30 GMT -5
PS - my memory is weak on this, but I think the rules change a year or so ago was for carrying pistols relative to carrying in state parks with a CCW... not sure they actually changed the hunting reg relative to archery rules... I would want to confirm that reality... The CCW allowance during bow season was done at the same time. It's just that the state parks allowance is what got the press. I *think*, but am not sure, that this season will be the third season since the rule was put into effect. IIRC, the "emergency" ruling was done in late September, right before the October opener and after the UZ started. I know I carried (legally) my pistol last season, and it seems like it was the second year for it... For those that say coyotes are scared of people, I can tell you've never had one (alive) within 6 feet of where you are sitting....
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Post by huntnprayn on Jul 31, 2008 22:07:26 GMT -5
Chances are that they didn't know what you were. And yes I have. Try half that distance and there were 2 of them.
As a matter of fact, check this out, had one in my yard tonight around 7:30ish. As soon as it saw me it was gone like lightning.
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Post by rivrbottmstalkr on Jul 31, 2008 22:30:12 GMT -5
I live in Sullivan Co. and we have a lot of meth labs in the area. We have even rode up on the remains of old meth labs while riding ATVs. I carry while riding these days and in bow season I also carry. I have a lifetime permit, I paid for it, it is legal to carry and I will carry if I choose. You don't wanna come up on an active meth lab and surprise those people, they will do whatever it takes not to get caught. You're better off to have it and never need it, than to need it and never have it.
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Post by indianahick on Aug 1, 2008 11:16:15 GMT -5
Concealed carry is legal in Archery right now. That does not mean that it can not be taken away as easily as it was given.
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Post by huxbux on Aug 1, 2008 20:54:35 GMT -5
Another vague & poorly worded question. I must assume that they mean HUNTING LEGAL arms since the DNR has already said I can carry my CCW loaded at all times and in all places. Given that stricture, I can accept that the possession of a Hunting Firearm during Bow season is a no-go..
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Post by huxbux on Aug 1, 2008 21:10:27 GMT -5
Chances are that they didn't know what you were. And yes I have. Try half that distance and there were 2 of them. As a matter of fact, check this out, had one in my yard tonight around 7:30ish. As soon as it saw me it was gone like lightning. Have you ever been followed for a mile through the HNF after dark by a half dozen coyotes? I can guarantee they knew what I was and I can guarantee they weren't the least bit afraid of me. Just because you haven't witnessed something firsthand, or a book tells you that coyotes are always afraid of people, don't make it so.
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Post by Bentwrench on Aug 1, 2008 22:02:42 GMT -5
I read all of the replys and agree with most. The only reason I'm replying is to see the "numbers". And...........As the saying goes "if I got my pants on, I'm carrying." I don't see where the question is, can you firearm hunt when leaving the woods during bow season.
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Post by steiny on Aug 3, 2008 16:27:48 GMT -5
Guess I don't get out enough. In nearly 40 years of hunting, I've never ran in to a a dicey situation in the field involving a meth lab, angry dogs, whacko poachers, crazed coyotes, mountain lions, big foot, or any other situation where I felt that I was in any kind of serious danger and really wished I had a hand gun for protection.
I own hand guns and have a CCW permit but don't see much need to "pack iron" on a little Indiana deer hunt. That's just one more item to drag along and never get used. I guess if you feel threatened, maybe you better pack heat for your own piece of mind.
Incidently, I've hunted a lot in Canada and Alaska where there are real critters out there; bears & wolves that could do you some harm if they took the notion. It's the exception, rather than the norm to ever see a guide packing a side arm, it's just dead weight.
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