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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 28, 2006 11:01:12 GMT -5
Proposed New Administrative Rules
Please see the various forums for the Proposed Rule changes affecting that particular game/fish.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 28, 2006 11:12:41 GMT -5
OK,
You rifle experts - what guns and calibers are we talking about here?
(F) rifle, with the use of cartridges described in subsection (f) (4) only;
4) A rifle must:
(A) fire a bullet of three hundred fifty-seven thousandths of an inch (.357) diameter or larger;
(B) have a minimum case length of one and sixteen hundredths (1.16) inches; and
(C) have a maximum case length of one and six hundred twenty-five thousandths (1.625) inches.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 28, 2006 11:29:50 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 28, 2006 11:43:41 GMT -5
OK,
You rifle experts - what guns and calibers are we talking about here?
(F) rifle, with the use of cartridges described in subsection (f) (4) only;
4) A rifle must:
(A) fire a bullet of three hundred fifty-seven thousandths of an inch (.357) diameter or larger;
(B) have a minimum case length of one and sixteen hundredths (1.16) inches; and
(C) have a maximum case length of one and six hundred twenty-five thousandths (1.625) inches. I would say: .357 Magnum, .41 Rem. Mag., .44 Rem. Mag, .45 Long Colt, .454 Casull. QUESTION: What type rifles are they allowing, if this is true and are allowing the use of pistol cartridge firing rifles? Seems rather unclear to me??  Not sure.. As far as I know it just says "rifles". |
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Post by jajwrigh on Mar 28, 2006 12:04:52 GMT -5
Absolutely awesome! We did this guys! This is so cool that our voices get heard! ;D
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 28, 2006 12:06:36 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 28, 2006 12:14:19 GMT -5
Absolutely awesome! We did this guys! This is so cool that our voices get heard! ;D jajwrigh, This is still just a proposal. I do know that some leaders in one of the Indiana organized hunting groups are flat dead set against it. They will attempt to rally their troops. I would venture to say that their "troops" probably would like to see pistol cartridge rifles allowed though. We will see.. It will take some doing to push this through. My opinion is that it opens another window of opportunity. The pistol cartridge rifles have as much knock down power as the slug guns and muzzleloaders with a whole lot LESS kick. That makes it ideal for the women and kids to hunt with. Shells are cheaper and that coupled with the less recoil means hunters will practice more resulting in being more familiar with their weapons. That also makes them a better shots resulting in less wounded and lost game. I see this proposal as a win-win.. |
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Post by drs on Mar 28, 2006 13:07:53 GMT -5
Another advantage is they (pistol Cartridges like the .44 Mag.) are reloadable. I personally would rather spend $28 per box of 50 .44 Mag. Shells then buy FIVE 20 gauge or 12 gauge sabots at $8.00 per box of 5!
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Post by drs on Mar 28, 2006 13:10:11 GMT -5
Right! I compleately forgot about the .500 S&W cartridge. It's compleately "Doable"! |
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Mar 28, 2006 13:40:44 GMT -5
Ah, another indisputable reason for my wife to let me purchase another rifle. ;D "Honey I gotta buy this, it's the law.  |
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Post by shootsa410 on Mar 28, 2006 14:42:21 GMT -5
The way I read it, I am not a lawyer, I can use my 270 and or 30-06. I can also use it anywhere in the state other than those areas already restricted by use of firearms.
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Post by jkd on Mar 28, 2006 14:59:55 GMT -5
Well, the old .30-30 is out...  30-30 Winchester Reloading Specifications. Bullet Diameter - .308" Maximum Case Length - 2.039" Trimmed Case Length - 2.028" won't be shooting the .45-70  45-70 Government Reloading Specifications. Bullet Diameter - .458" Maximum Case Length - 2.105" Trimmed Case Length - 2.100" .35 Remington is too long also... 1.920" 1.910" Some other legal ones would be... .44-40 .44 Remington Magnum .45 Long Colt .480 Ruger Here's a site listing several popular calibers and their associated case lengths... www.reloadbench.com/cart.htmlWill see if I can find a more exhaustive list... Looks like Marlin doesn't offer lever actions in the smaller pistol cartrides, however, Henry does... www.henryrepeating.com/ourrifles.cfmBut they're pricey...  Winchester offers them in the Model 94 for around $500... www.winchesterguns.com ;D |
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Post by shootsa410 on Mar 28, 2006 15:05:51 GMT -5
(4) A rifle must:
(C) have a maximum case length of one and six hundred twenty-five thousandths (1.625) inches.
After re-reading it item (C) eliminates my 270 + 30-06.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 28, 2006 15:08:43 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 28, 2006 16:07:58 GMT -5
Marlin makes some nice lever actions too..
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 28, 2006 16:40:33 GMT -5
Gents and gals,
I got this off of another site and there might be a problem in how he posted it. I know when the IDNR and the legislature is making chages they mark a line through what they want to eliminate and bold type what they are adding.
2C doesn't make any sense unless a line is drawn through the "two hundred forty-three thousandths(.243)" to eliminate it and add "three hundred fifty-seven thousandths of an inch (.357) diameter or larger"
IOW -
(C) fire a bullet of two hundred forty-three thousandths(.243) three hundred fifty-seven thousandths of an inch (.357) diameter or larger.
Add in - "The handgun cartridge case, without bullet, must be at least one and sixteen-hundredths (1.16) inches long and have a maximum case length of one and six hundred twenty-five thousandths (1.625) inches" to me means that the IDNR wants to get rid of the rifle cartridge handguns and make them handgun cartridges ONLY.
IOW - No more hand cannons..
When I find out for sure I'll let everyone know.
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Post by jkd on Mar 28, 2006 17:12:20 GMT -5
Woody,
I noticed that too, and I think you're on the right track on the strikeout...
I can see where this change is likely going to create some major confusion the first year in effect... I'll bet a lot of guys come out of Wally World with new .30-30 or .45-70 levers thinking all lever actions are now legal for deer and will be in for a big surprise if they meet an ICO in the field...
Will be interesting one way or the other...
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 28, 2006 17:24:58 GMT -5
Woody, I noticed that too, and I think you're on the right track on the strikeout... I can see where this change is likely going to create some major confusion the first year in effect... I'll bet a lot of guys come out of Wally World with new .30-30 or .45-70 levers thinking all lever actions are now legal for deer and will be in for a big surprise if they meet an ICO in the field... Will be interesting one way or the other... I didn't read it real close when I copied and pasted it. After going back and reading it I thought "That don't look right". It sure appears they are wanting to eliminate the "hand cannons" and go to pistol cartridge rifles. I would think that the IDNR would list what calibers are legal in the Hunting Guide when it comes out. Leaving it to the measurements as spelled out in this proposal will confuse some for sure... |
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Post by jajwrigh on Mar 28, 2006 18:27:28 GMT -5
That minimum 1.16 inch length is identical to the .44 special, for anyone who is interested.
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Post by jajwrigh on Mar 28, 2006 18:29:07 GMT -5
When does this need to be decided by? I really hope it does go through...
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