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Post by deerdude on Apr 30, 2007 18:09:09 GMT -5
saw in the paper tonight where all will be buckling up in a vehicle before long,even if your a back seat passenger, it includes pickups and suvs this time around. tje weirdest new law passed that i saw states that you will not have the right to make funeral arrangments for someone if you are accused in that persons death.  |
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Post by hunter480 on Apr 30, 2007 18:16:43 GMT -5
saw in the paper tonight where all will be buckling up in a vehicle before long,even if your a back seat passenger, it includes pickups and suvs this time around. tje weirdest new law passed that i saw states that you will not have the right to make funeral arrangments for someone if you are accused in that persons death. Doesn`t matter-I still won`t wear a seatbelt-way too much into my business. Especially when organ donors on motorcycles aren`t required to wear helmets. |
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Post by danf on Apr 30, 2007 18:37:56 GMT -5
I wear mine, but I don't think they should be attempting to legislate keeping stupidity in the gene pool... Seatbelt law for 18 and under, sure, but after that- it should be up to the person...
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Post by Old Ironsights on Apr 30, 2007 19:52:54 GMT -5
Seatbelts should NOT be a requirement... but in the same vein, Insurance/Medicaid/Whatever should not have to pay for your stupidity...
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Post by JohnSmiles on Apr 30, 2007 20:07:05 GMT -5
Well, #1, there is no seatbelt LAW.
It is a seatbelt TAX.
There are no laws preventing you from skiing down a mountain, snowboarding, mountain climbing, skydiving or crab fishing, so it is NOT about safety.
It is all about taking away more of YOUR money WITHOUT actually using the word 'TAX'.
fwiw, in both instances where I was involved in a serious accident, wearing a seatbelt would have cost me my life.
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Post by Russ Koon on Apr 30, 2007 20:10:14 GMT -5
I keep trying top get into the habit of wearing one, but I still forget most of the time.
I agree with the idea that they do more good than harm in most cases.
I'm just about certain that I would have been killed in the first accident I was in that involved another vehicle, though, had I had mine on at the time. I was a rear seat passenger in a full-size Chevy sedan and we were rear-ended at a stoplight by a VW beetle doing about 60, and it left no skid marks. The driver was assumed to have fallen asleep. We were all working night shifts at local factories.
Killed the other driver when his chest wrapped around the steering wheel. Seat belt would have probably saved him.
Snapped me back so hard in the back seat of the Chevy that I rebounded into the front seat back and broke my nose. Luckily, I had just slumped into my normal snooze position for the trip home from work, with my head resting on the top of the rear seatback. The driver and other passenger were protected by the headrests in the front seats, but there weren't any in the back.
If I'd been sitting upright enough to have been belted in, I'm pretty sure my neck would have snapped like a toothpick under that hard an impact.
I agree that it should be the adults' own business whether they choose to buckle up or not.
And I'm one of those "organ donors" who ride without a helmet. Or at least I will be if I ever get the Suzuki going again. Same deal. I think it's good to require the younger riders and newbies to wear skid lids. When our whiskers get gray, we should be allowed to make our own choice about whether we'd rather be a living paraplegic or a dead organ donor. I'd be willing to compromise and make riding without one a punishable offense if it results in my death.
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Post by bsutravis on Apr 30, 2007 20:24:45 GMT -5
I agree that it should be up to the individual..... However, it doesn't take too many instances of seeing a person hanging halfway out of a windshield with their heads ripped into shreds to make even the most hard-headed anti-seatbealt wearer to at least think about buckling up for their families sake.......
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Post by steiny on Apr 30, 2007 20:39:10 GMT -5
A state trooper once told me ..... "I've never unbuckled a dead man".
The fact can't be disputed that seat belts save a bunch of lives. Law or no law, you ought to wear one.
Somebody mentioned that it is just another form of tax. If the truth was known , I'd bet we currently have quite a few tax dollars going out annually, paying disability to crippled up knuckle heads who weren't smart enough to wear their seat belt or a helmet,and didn't have enough insurance in place to cover their medical expenses. In that respect, a seat belt law might actually save tax dollars.
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Post by ActionPoint on Apr 30, 2007 20:59:07 GMT -5
It's all about the federal grant money. These seat belt "task forces" are another way for agencies and officers to generate supplemental income. In some cases individual officers are paid directly under these grants and they must maintain an hourly quota to receive payment for those hours. Changing the laws to encompass another group of motorists for enforcement will increase the number of citations issued and therefore place the state and it's agencies in a better position to request and receive these federal grants.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 1, 2007 3:13:20 GMT -5
A state trooper once told me ..... "I've never unbuckled a dead man". The fact can't be disputed that seat belts save a bunch of lives. Law or no law, you ought to wear one. Somebody mentioned that it is just another form of tax. If the truth was known , I'd bet we currently have quite a few tax dollars going out annually, paying disability to crippled up knuckle heads who weren't smart enough to wear their seat belt or a helmet,and didn't have enough insurance in place to cover their medical expenses. In that respect, a seat belt law might actually save tax dollars. I agree 100%. |
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Post by cambygsp on May 1, 2007 3:45:35 GMT -5
The "NEW" Indiana seatbelt law puts Indiana in line to receive like 16 million dollars from the federal government. We were one of the few states that didnt require pick-up drivers to buckle up.
I have a very bad habit of not wearing one, but I have always drove a truck so I wasn't breaking the law.
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Post by dbd870 on May 1, 2007 3:52:44 GMT -5
Agreed.
I'm sure the Federal money was the driving force. Once again they steal our money and then force their rules on everyone by offering a portion of it back. When are people going to throw these scum out of office? (I know never, too many have their own hands out)
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Post by drgreyhound on May 1, 2007 4:31:18 GMT -5
Seatbelts should NOT be a requirement... but in the same vein, Insurance/Medicaid/Whatever should not have to pay for your stupidity... I agree. My grandma has never worn a seat belt, front or back, because it's "uncomfortable" and "it wrinkles [her] clothes"...yes, ridiculous, I know, but this is what she's believed for years, and she's probably not going to believe anything else. She really SHOULD wear a seat belt, and all of us who love her have tried to tell her so, but she just won't. She has the right NOT to wear a seat belt, but I don't think taxpayer money should pay for the consequences... |
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Post by cambygsp on May 1, 2007 5:22:13 GMT -5
I thought the .44 a pack tax increase on tobacco products was going to pay for the folks who don't have health insurance.
When everyone quits useing tobacco, as the state wants us to, the state will go broke!
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Post by kevin1 on May 1, 2007 6:39:19 GMT -5
I wear a seat belt all the time, so does my wife, and so does anyone who rides in our vehicle. My mother was involved in an accident several years ago in which she was rear ended by a speeding semi, spun like a top, and then creamed in the front end by another semi. She spun out into the median. When the state trooper arrived at the scene and first saw her crumpled Escort wagon he fully expected to pull a corpse from the wreck, the thing looked like an accordian. To his astonishment, there sat my unhurt mother dazed and confused but alive. Safety gear exists for a reason, if you're too stupid to use it you deserve what will surely happen.
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Post by Russ Koon on May 1, 2007 12:11:37 GMT -5
Well, gee, kevin, how do feel about full-face helmets and firesuits for automobile drivers and passengers? Full rollcages have been around for some time as well, and have been proven every weekend to save lives.
Then there's the argument for insurance not paying for those who refuse to buckle up or ride with their head inside a plastic box.......I suppose you guys also support the insurance companies dropping obese folks who didn't have the good sense to shed those pounds before their heart attacks or the onset of their diabetes? Should they also drop the insurance of any woman who gets pregnant? She didn't have to take that chance, but she CHOSE to, as one of HER life decisions, knowing the risks and deciding they were worth it to her. It's most often on your dime, as she's covered under normal insurance policies that we all share the cost of. How about if it's her eighth kid, instead of her first? How about those who climb into treestands repeatedly in the pre-dawn darkness, in areas with no help around should they have an accident?
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Post by indianahick on May 1, 2007 12:50:16 GMT -5
No problem here. You buckle up in my truck or the wifes van. Back seats too. Now then while seat belts can and do save lives they can also course serious injury. Especially to women. One young woman that worked for me almost had to have her left breast removed because of injury caused by a seat belt. Unfortunately they are something that can do good, yet can do harm at the same time. More good than harm though. Gotta keep those little taxpayers coming on.
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Post by hornharvester on May 1, 2007 14:05:29 GMT -5
Everyone who gets into my car or truck buckles up or i don't go! I for the live of me cant understand why you some of you don't want to wear a seat belt in a vehicle. If you don't buckle up for you own safety do if for your love ones. h.h.
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Post by dbd870 on May 1, 2007 14:50:19 GMT -5
It's not a matter of want to, I would wear them regardless of the law. It's the fact it's being legislated that I find distasteful.
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Post by hunter480 on May 1, 2007 17:09:03 GMT -5
Well, gee, kevin, how do feel about full-face helmets and firesuits for automobile drivers and passengers? Full rollcages have been around for some time as well, and have been proven every weekend to save lives. Then there's the argument for insurance not paying for those who refuse to buckle up or ride with their head inside a plastic box.......I suppose you guys also support the insurance companies dropping obese folks who didn't have the good sense to shed those pounds before their heart attacks or the onset of their diabetes? Should they also drop the insurance of any woman who gets pregnant? She didn't have to take that chance, but she CHOSE to, as one of HER life decisions, knowing the risks and deciding they were worth it to her. It's most often on your dime, as she's covered under normal insurance policies that we all share the cost of. How about if it's her eighth kid, instead of her first? How about those who climb into treestands repeatedly in the pre-dawn darkness, in areas with no help around should they have an accident? Thank you Russ for stepping up-I was hoping someone would. I was getting kinda  ed off being called stupid-as in "anyone too stupid to not wear them......." Gee, didn`t think name calling was ok here, but........anyone stupid enough to call me stupid for not wearing a seatbelt must be really stupid....... ;D In all seriousness, it is asinine to label me or anyone else for refusing to be legislated into obedience, but some here will simply put their noses even higher into the air, so be it. |
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