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Post by tusti on Mar 19, 2007 15:56:31 GMT -5
AN INTERESTING NOTION >> >> >> >> During World War II -- the Japanese developed a way to demoralize the >> American forces. Psychological warfare experts developed a message they >> felt would work. They gave the script to their famous broadcaster "Tokyo >> Rose" and every day she would broadcast this same message packaged in >> different ways, hoping it would have a negative impact on American GI's >> morale. >> >> >> >> What was that demoralizing message? >> >> >> >> It had three main points: >> >> >> >> 1. Your President is lying to you. >> >> 2. This war is illegal. >> >> 3. You cannot win the war. >> >> >> >> Does this sound familiar? >> >> >> >> Hillary, Harry, John, Teddy, Nancy, and etc. have picked up on the >> same message and are broadcasting it on CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc., to our >> nation's citizens and our troops? The only difference is that they claim >> to support our troops before they demoralize them. >> >> >> >> Come to think of it, didn't Tokyo Rose tell the troops she was on >> their side, too? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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Post by bsutravis on Mar 19, 2007 16:15:27 GMT -5
Great post!
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Post by hunter480 on Mar 19, 2007 16:22:45 GMT -5
Outstanding post-now, if only the liberals would get it.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Mar 19, 2007 17:20:55 GMT -5
This time, however, it is all true. I do indeed support the troops, as I have 3 brothers who were in the marines. But the pres, hillary, kerry, kennedy and most of the others are lying to us all. This war is bogus, and the reason for being there is a sham. Bush is your real enemy, just as surely as is the Brady Agenda.
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Post by hunter480 on Mar 19, 2007 17:38:18 GMT -5
This time, however, it is all true. I do indeed support the troops, as I have 3 brothers who were in the marines. But the pres, hillary, kerry, kennedy and most of the others are lying to us all. This war is bogus, and the reason for being there is a sham. Bush is your real enemy, just as surely as is the Brady Agenda. John-I`m going to try to be civil here-I read much of your views on your blog, and I have to say-you`re pretty far out there. You`re certainly entitled to your views on the President and the war in Iraq, as am I, and me personally, I couldn`t disagree with you more strongly. There is much that the President has said and done that I don`t agree with, don`t approve of, but the war in Iraq is not one of them. Just my opinion, but I wasn`t privy to military Intel, gonna guess you weren`t either, so it`s kind of hard to make a determination of what is just and what isn`t. You`re still entitled to your opinion, but I have to feel it`s just a dislike for the President himself, since it can`t be based on fact in regards to Iraq. So I`m going to have to say that as strongly as you believe we shouldn`t be there, I believe we should, and that we`re doing the right thing. As for putting my President in the same class as the Brady bunch-that`s nearly treason
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Post by tusti on Mar 19, 2007 17:38:41 GMT -5
I guess 9/11 was a sham as well?
I don't give a holy crap who they are or where they are...point is there are a whole bunch of them who need killing. We can shoot em over there or God forbid shoot em over here and if you don't think that is a realistic thought, let's just say I hope you don't have to fine out first hand.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Mar 19, 2007 18:05:05 GMT -5
My opinion is that Bush is the worst threat to America and the People of the United States than we have ever had. Or do you uphold the Patriot act, and the rest of his grab for total power? NAU, slave labor called immigration reform, all the lies told concerning 9/11. They knew it was coming, and I would bet my life on it. Too many lies, too many coincidences. All the pardons he has given, yet the border agents still remain imprisoned. If this conviction causes me to lose any credibility here, so be it. No president I have ever seen hold office deserves impeachment more than this one.
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Post by hunter480 on Mar 19, 2007 18:21:28 GMT -5
My opinion is that Bush is the worst threat to America and the People of the United States than we have ever had. Or do you uphold the Patriot act, and the rest of his grab for total power? NAU, slave labor called immigration reform, all the lies told concerning 9/11. They knew it was coming, and I would bet my life on it. Too many lies, too many coincidences. All the pardons he has given, yet the border agents still remain imprisoned. If this conviction causes me to lose any credibility here, so be it. No president I have ever seen hold office deserves impeachment more than this one. Yes John, I read on your blog-you are of the school of thought that the Government not only knew 9/11 was going to happen, but they were responsible. And no-the so called patriot act is one of the things I strongly disagree with-however-I don`t see boogymen around every corner. It`s bad Government, but there are no conspiricies for our Government to kill Americans as a pretext for wars and invasions. You gotta lay off the caffeine dude.
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Post by paul3 on Mar 19, 2007 19:40:14 GMT -5
Do a google search for ( 911 conspiracy ) and take a look at the evidence. If you do you may start to belive there is more to 911 then the Gov. says.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Mar 19, 2007 19:44:15 GMT -5
And you are of the school of thought they were wholly innocent I presume? Here is the thing; once you admit you question parts of what you have been told, then by all logic you must question everything you were told, as a liar seldom lies about only the little things . . . . There is no middle ground here sadly. You are either of the opinion we were lied to by the government(which would of course be a first) or you are of the opinion we were told the truth.
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Post by bsutravis on Mar 19, 2007 20:07:57 GMT -5
John...... For the record, I think the conspiracy bunk is a load of crap for people who love to think that the sky is falling while they sit in their parent's basements and dream about since they can't go out and score with chicks.....but I digress. My question isn't about your views, it's about how you can lump the President in with Billary, Kennedy, Kerry etc., and say they all are lying to us, when, in principal, they are polar opposites on the war.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Mar 19, 2007 20:31:42 GMT -5
John...... For the record, I think the conspiracy bunk is a load of crap for people who love to think that the sky is falling while they sit in their parent's basements and dream about since they can't go out and score with chicks.....but I digress. My question isn't about your views, it's about how you can lump the President in with Billary, Kennedy, Kerry etc., and say they all are lying to us, when, in principal, they are polar opposites on the war. No, if you had actually wanted an answer, you would have left out the insults and condescending attitude.
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Post by bsutravis on Mar 19, 2007 23:17:40 GMT -5
I appologize if my attitude towards the fiction that you brought aboard this thread was offensive to you. I personally feel that the conspiracy kooks out there got tired of chasing Elvis in Minnesota Burger Kings and turned their attention towards 9/11. If you are part of those that I am labeling as a kook, than again I am sorry that your viewpoints render yourself into that category in MY opinion.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Mar 20, 2007 8:00:19 GMT -5
I do not agree with everything that President Bush has done, but I would not go so far as to include him in your group listed above. I am grateful for the fact that we have not experienced any major terrorist incidents here at home since 911.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Mar 20, 2007 10:28:44 GMT -5
I appologize if my attitude towards the fiction that you brought aboard this thread was offensive to you. I personally feel that the conspiracy kooks out there got tired of chasing Elvis in Minnesota Burger Kings and turned their attention towards 9/11. If you are part of those that I am labeling as a kook, than again I am sorry that your viewpoints render yourself into that category in MY opinion. I will not bother trading childish insults with someone such as yourself, who feigns an apology in the same sentence where he calls me a liar, further insults me and then attempts to JUSTIFY his insults.
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Post by bsutravis on Mar 20, 2007 10:50:20 GMT -5
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Post by JohnSmiles on Mar 20, 2007 11:07:43 GMT -5
For what it is worth to those do not agree with my opinion, and are mature enough to remain civil, I would like to point out that I myself had no doubts as to what actually happened for several months after 9/11. I was 100% in full support of Bush and ANY action our government might take, including war. Then it started dawning on me all wasn't as it seemed. I started looking into the THOUSANDS of websites calling for a complete investigation of the 'facts' we were given. And a lot of it is very compelling evidence. Now, throw in all the prez has done in order to promote the NAU, amnesty, open borders, and in effect the total repeal of the Constitution, and yes I do now feel he is the worst threat to America we have ever faced. It was not always this way. I was at one time 100% with him. I backed the wrong pony, but am not too hard headed to admit it WAS an error on my part and correct it. By all means do the research yourself. I seriously urge those of you who haven't to do so and make up your own mind on this issue. But do not sit back and scream 'the conspiracy kooks are out again' because you refuse to take the time to read up on it, or simply too afraid to find out how wrong you might actually be.
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Post by bsutravis on Mar 20, 2007 11:16:35 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Mar 20, 2007 11:39:48 GMT -5
This time, however, it is all true. I do indeed support the troops, as I have 3 brothers who were in the marines. But the pres, hillary, kerry, kennedy and most of the others are lying to us all. This war is bogus, and the reason for being there is a sham. Bush is your real enemy, just as surely as is the Brady Agenda. John-I read much of your views on your blog, and I have to say-you`re pretty far out there. Thats a mouth full right there.....
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Post by jkd on Mar 20, 2007 11:49:32 GMT -5
It is a fact that Cheney and Rumsfeld fed incorrect intelligence reports to Colin Powell prior to his UN speech, and they knew that the intelligence was invalid and unreliable relative to WMD per CIA director Tenet. That speech, along with similar garbage fed to Congress, was the basis for getting the US into war in Iraq. In other words, they LIED to Congress and the American people... PERIOD.... Whether you think Bush knew this is up to you, but the fact of the matter is that from the VP on down, this administration lied to support the argument to Congress to authorize military action based on a non-existent threat. It is a fact that CIA intelligence (which Bush/Cheney ignored) showed there was no Al Queda link to Saddam, and the real and sole threat at that time was in Afghanistan, not Iraq. If you want facts, suggest you download and read the Baker Hamilton report... the real threat to the US now is that our ground forces may not be capable of meeting new and bona fide threats (due to worn out equipment and low unit readiness levels), and that the US economy will be crippled from spending in Iraq, with $400B spent so far, and the bill continuing to roll up to the tune of $3-4B a month. Al Queda in Afghanistan is the real immediate threat to US security, and we need to focus our attention and resources there... BTW, on a related analogy... the Soviet Union didn't collapse as a result of lack of military hardware and manpower... it collapsed because that military outspent it's country's economy.... is there a lesson to be learned from that... ? www.usip.org/isg/iraq_study_group_report/report/1206/index.html"The United States should not make an open-ended commitment to keep large numbers of American troops deployed in Iraq for three compelling reasons. First, and most importantly, the United States faces other security dangers in the world, and a continuing Iraqi commitment of American ground forces at present levels will leave no reserve available to meet other contingencies. On September 7, 2006, General James Jones, our NATO commander, called for more troops in Afghanistan, where U.S. and NATO forces are fighting a resurgence of al Qaeda and Taliban forces. The United States should respond positively to that request, and be prepared for other security contingencies, including those in Iran and North Korea. Second, the long-term commitment of American ground forces to Iraq at current levels is adversely affecting Army readiness, with less than a third of the Army units currently at high readiness levels. The Army is unlikely to be able to meet the next rotation of troops in Iraq without undesirable changes in its deployment practices. The Army is now considering breaking its compact with the National Guard and Reserves that limits the number of years that these citizen-soldiers can be deployed. Behind this short-term strain is the longer-term risk that the ground forces will be impaired in ways that will take years to reverse. And finally, an open-ended commitment of American forces would not provide the Iraqi government the incentive it needs to take the political actions that give Iraq the best chance of quelling sectarian violence. In the absence of such an incentive, the Iraqi government might continue to delay taking those difficult actions."
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