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Post by TolusD on Jan 31, 2017 19:14:21 GMT -5
davers I find that the Barnes bullets tend to have near zero bloodshot meat. One of my smoked racks of ribs had a pretty good hole in it, but was not bloodshot. I am using IMR4895 for my .308. I will be moving up to the 150's. I like them to leak from two holes! Omega, would you mind posting the full recipe for those 135gr Barnes bullets that you took that buck with? I want to experiment with that one. I bet it shoots pretty flat with that light bullet right?
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Post by TolusD on Jan 31, 2017 19:11:15 GMT -5
My buddy and I joined up at Fall Creek Valley Conservation Club last week. I took the American out Saturday and put another 15 rounds down range. I shifted my shoulder weld a little to the right and I had zero problems with the recoil. My guess is that I must have slopped my weld out of excitement a couple times the first time I had it out. I could have kept shooting all day. I was shooting 100yds instead of 20yds so my scope needed a little adjustment but I got it set to where the shot was down to my breathing and trigger discipline.
I'm ordering another 100 rounds of that 7.62 NATO to practice with and then I'm gonna get a small reloading set so I can make some hunting ammo out of all this gorgeous German military brass I have.
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Post by TolusD on Jan 31, 2017 19:05:20 GMT -5
I've had their pistols in the past and one rifle. My buddy has one of their new handguns right now and it's fantastic. I wouldn't bat an eye at picking up anything CZ makes right now. They're in their prime as far as every bit of evidence I can find says. Everything CZ I've put my hands on has been well built, reliable, accurate beyond belief, and damn sexy at times. I just wish they were still as cheap as they used to be...
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Post by TolusD on Jan 31, 2017 19:00:29 GMT -5
I live in and own property in Marion County and I had never considered hunting inside the county. The best way to kill a deer in Marion County is not paying attention on the highway at night. Any other method is likely to result in a run in with IMPD or some vegan soccer mom or nutjob college chick with a PETA sign or most likely both.
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Post by TolusD on Jan 28, 2017 22:30:08 GMT -5
I've got a Savage Trophy 116 in .300 Win Mag with a stainless barrel, accutrigger, and detachable box magazine that came with the Nikon BDC scope. A little more expensive than OP's budget but their Axis line is cheaper in price with similar features. My Savage 116 has the smoothest operating bolt I've ever used on a rifle and the accutrigger is outstanding. I recently purchased a Ruger American Rifle in .30-06 with a blued barrel and detachable box magazine. It didn't come with a scope but it does have an adjustable trigger. I got it for $199 during the secret wally world clearance sale back in August but I've seen them on sale at other retailers for less than $400. Even at full price it is still a very nice rifle. The adjustable trigger is nice (very similar to Savage's accutrigger) and the bolt isn't bad. I put a Weaver Kaspa 3-12x50 scope on it I got from CTD and it made a very nice shooting setup. ETA: Dunham's and Dick's both have some great Black Friday deals on Scoped Axis Rifles. Check them out OP. My brother has a Savage with an Accutrigger and yeah,it's virtually identical to the trigger on my American.
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Post by TolusD on Jan 28, 2017 22:25:46 GMT -5
I purchased the Ruger American 308 win 3 weeks ago and found a china scope for $45. I'm shooting 1.5" circle at 100 yards. The clip holds 4. Good gun for the price. I haven't got enough trigger time on mine to get my groups that tight at 100yds yet, but they're very close and I've only been to the 100yd range once so far and only shot about 15 rounds. Same gun though, Ruger American 308 my scope is a Bushnell Trophy XLT 3-9x40. I paid $249 for the rifle and $79 for the scope and I've been shooting German 7.62 NATO M80 spec ball ammo out of it. That stuff is awesome and only $12 a box.
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Post by TolusD on Jan 27, 2017 11:20:39 GMT -5
I'm actually looking at the plumbers putty method so that I can remove the weight easily when I'm in the field. I'm gonna use a grocery bag to line the inside of the stock and then pack it full of plumbers putty and see how it shoots. The bag liner should make removing the putty pretty painless and less messy than scraping it out. I looked at the Boyds stocks they have and I really like the thumbhole stock. I'm not sure if I want to change the rifle that much though. I really do need to get more trigger time on it before I do too much more. I've got 40 rounds of 7.62 NATO left to burn through and I'm planning on doing that at an outdoor range with at least 100yds to work with so I should be able to learn all I need to once that's complete. A friend of mine, bought a replacement laminated "drop-in" stock for his Winchester M-70 from Midway USA. I believe it was made by Boyds and it fit like a glove. My Friend only had to drop the barreled action into the stock, and replace the three screws. Yeah, they're the only ones making Ruger American stocks and a lot of the guys on the Ruger boards love their Boyds stock. Apparently there's still some minor fitting with the magazine catch but past that it supposedly drops right in. The bedding system on the American is really just a couple of bolts and a v block that locks to the stock. Just torque them to spec and it's supposed to be perfectly bedded. The torque specs are in the manual too.
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Post by TolusD on Jan 27, 2017 9:15:33 GMT -5
Thanks, it's a .308. I got it for a song and it shoots really nice. It's extremely light though and the recoil got to me sighting it in. A couple of shots at deer isn't an issue at all but 20 rounds in a row got to be a little painful. You can add weight to the factory stock as well as using epoxy/bedding compound to stiffen the forend or get a Boyd's stock for it. It would just take a little bedding for the action lugs. I'm actually looking at the plumbers putty method so that I can remove the weight easily when I'm in the field. I'm gonna use a grocery bag to line the inside of the stock and then pack it full of plumbers putty and see how it shoots. The bag liner should make removing the putty pretty painless and less messy than scraping it out. I looked at the Boyds stocks they have and I really like the thumbhole stock. I'm not sure if I want to change the rifle that much though. I really do need to get more trigger time on it before I do too much more. I've got 40 rounds of 7.62 NATO left to burn through and I'm planning on doing that at an outdoor range with at least 100yds to work with so I should be able to learn all I need to once that's complete.
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Post by TolusD on Jan 26, 2017 19:56:13 GMT -5
That sounds like you hit the jackpot. If you need or want a partner on the deal PM me and I'll clear brush and post signs and put up cameras right along with you.
In addition to splitting the costs obviously.
Plus, I haven't hunted in about 20 years so I'm not going to be much of a threat to your chances.
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Post by TolusD on Jan 26, 2017 16:25:27 GMT -5
I wonder what Obama thinks about penned deer. He is the only one who's opinion matters to me If you like the ear tag, you can keep the ear tag! LMFAO!!!!!! You win the prize. Ooh! I got one... "If you've got a deer stand, you didn't build that deer stand."
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Post by TolusD on Jan 26, 2017 15:34:00 GMT -5
Yeah reservations.... lets not talk about those. I need to make one at Saint Elmos on the first. LOL!
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Post by TolusD on Jan 26, 2017 15:00:54 GMT -5
Don't blame this stuff on Wisconsin it's all on the shoulders of Colorado in my book LOL!!! And now we're officially off of the proverbial reservation by a mile...
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Post by TolusD on Jan 26, 2017 14:53:10 GMT -5
So what you're saying is basically that hunting a preserve is to real hunting as touch football is to real football? I'm a little bit confused. I don't think anyone is saying this. I can't imagine anyone calling harvesting a high-fenced deer hunting unless it's a thousand acre preserve. I imagine the larger the property the closer it is to real hunting, unless someone still pushes them to the hunter. I have no desire to harvest at a preserve. I do think about going to an elk farm. Not to hunt, but to get some meat and antlers. I just want to be the one to shoot the elk. I know a guy who will let me do this. I think you may have hit on the core of the debate here: Harvesting vs. Hunting. I was trying to lighten the mood with a joke about touch football but it seems to have gotten somewhere productive : ) At least it has for me, you put your finger right on the thing that was bothering me in my head and you described it in a way that can't be confused by political or ethical bias. I have a whole new take on this now. My original answer stands but I would now add that a distinction needs to be made between hunting and harvesting. Hunting- State licensed harvest of naturally born and bred game animals taken from public or private lands via traditional sporting methods. Harvesting- Shooting purpose-bred livestock with a rifle. I can even see a commercial market term coming out of this: Rifle Harvested Organic Game just like: Line Caught Salmon
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Post by TolusD on Jan 26, 2017 14:43:36 GMT -5
I just edited my post with a link to another site with a couple pics. It let me view it just fine. That's a nice one and a weird story about the bullet. My buddy collects .30-40 Krags and he's into reloading and has all the gear already so maybe I'll invest in some dies for the .308. I have a ton of brand new once fired brass from the sight in trip. I got a bunch of German MEN 7.62 NATO M80 spec to do sight in and range shooting with. The production stamps are from last year and the cases are gorgeous.
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Post by TolusD on Jan 26, 2017 14:21:16 GMT -5
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Post by TolusD on Jan 26, 2017 14:09:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm really happy with how it shoots. The scope on this one is a Bushnell Trophy XLT 3-9x40 that I got on clearance online. So far it's been really nice for what I paid for it and they seem to have good reviews. The recoil pad is very soft for certain. I don't think I've ever had one this soft actually. Have you had a chance to take it out hunting at all? Bagged an 8 with it this year. Shot handloaded Barnes 130 TSX's. Probably a whole, whopping 30 yard shot!! Wow, where was that at?
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Post by TolusD on Jan 26, 2017 13:52:23 GMT -5
Shooting Deer in a fence is not hunting... If it was you would be required to have a hunting lic and there would be bag limits ! You are absolutely correct, and there's no debating what you have said. I still think about going to an elk farm and shooting one at half the price or more of a preserve. Realistically, I won't be able to get one any other way. I will not call it hunting any more than I would a high fenced area, but I'd still hang it on the wall with my pheasant tails. So what you're saying is basically that hunting a preserve is to real hunting as touch football is to real football?
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Post by TolusD on Jan 26, 2017 13:50:52 GMT -5
Dave you can't be anti shooting pen and pro deer farm you can't have one without the other The deer are farmed for the pens Political issues and image problems aside, this is a big deal for me. If somebody pays to farm deer, I think they can do whatever they want with them. They were never public property and they were always grown to be harvested outside of the natural cycle of life. It's a zero sum equation.
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Post by TolusD on Jan 26, 2017 12:34:09 GMT -5
I'm anti shooting pen Have no issue with deer farming. But its livestock. BOAH doesn't allow hunting of Holsteins. Methods of dispatch for food is regulated. The non hunting crowd sees shooting pens, lumps real hunters with those wannabes, then we all lose out. That's an argument that makes sense to me. It's definitely a bad look for hunters. I laughed about the Holsteins. The mental image of some guy on his first "hunt" taking aim at Ole Bessie is too much man....LOL...
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Post by TolusD on Jan 26, 2017 12:23:50 GMT -5
I do my deer hunting on twenty acres...half of which is wooded. Deer every year. Location location location. Those are the 20 acres I'm looking for... LOL...
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