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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 18, 2017 17:56:04 GMT -5
I don't see that anywhere... How where PCR legal last year? Looks like they shouldn't of been and there was a over sight IMO Yup.
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 18, 2017 12:42:40 GMT -5
And compare to 2017...
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 18, 2017 12:40:09 GMT -5
Reverting to the 2016 law will not change anything, only make it worse. It will still make PCRs illegal on public land, and will also make them illegal on PRIVATE land. It still states that "Rifles are not to be used on public land" and it also states that rifles MUST fire a .243 or .30cal bullet. What PCR uses either of those bullets? NONE, so PCRs will also be illegal on PRIVATE land. I believe the 2016 language included the wording "additional rifle calibers". I don't see that anywhere...
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 18, 2017 4:41:05 GMT -5
Reverting to the 2016 law will not change anything, only make it worse. It will still make PCRs illegal on public land, and will also make them illegal on PRIVATE land. It still states that "Rifles are not to be used on public land" and it also states that rifles MUST fire a .243 or .30cal bullet. What PCR uses either of those bullets? NONE, so PCRs will also be illegal on PRIVATE land.
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 15, 2017 17:47:49 GMT -5
No deer seen in Switzerland county today. We hunted till 10 am and then went for Biscuit and Gravey at Granny's restaurant. Great place to eat. All homemade Where is Granny's ? On 156 in Vevay. Good home-style food for cheap! Maybe I'll run into ya sometime, popcornridgevevay
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 14, 2017 7:28:33 GMT -5
M4madness I wish I shared your optimism.... You guys are giving the legislators too much credit. I just can't see them being so sly as to pull off a public land rifle ban intentionally, especially when there hasn't been a single accident attributed to them. The law last year listed the legal HPR calibers and said they were only legal on private property. Then the law this year is essentially the same, only changing the caliber list to simply anything .243 and larger. What they failed to realize is that ALL of the PCR calibers are greater than.243". Lol! The 2016 law said that rifles MUST be a .243 or .30 caliber rifle. So in 2016, all PCRs were illegal because there were none that were that caliber. But, no one noticed until this year, likely a month or so ago, what the ramifications of the law really were.
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 11, 2017 18:56:50 GMT -5
It was on the next page...
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 11, 2017 18:49:13 GMT -5
They've already updated the hunting guide.
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 11, 2017 15:05:45 GMT -5
From my understanding there is an Emergency Meeting at DNR today.... We are waiting on the results of that meeting.... They do have a new Enforcement Division leader now... From what I hear he is a good one.. Wasn't Arnold the author of the 2016 rifle bill...I guess I can check that myself...Confirmed, yes he was.
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 10, 2017 8:16:06 GMT -5
They said nothing in the 2016 law about PCRs. Nearly identical wording as the 2017 law. Not sure what part of "Rifles with pistol cartridges that have been allowed in previous years may still be used to hunt deer on both private and public land. " isn't clear from 2016... Was that part of the law or written in the hunting guide? I don't see that written in the law. The new hunting guide has that language in there, as well, but it has been declared as incorrect.
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 10, 2017 7:54:43 GMT -5
They said nothing in the 2016 law about PCRs. Nearly identical wording as the 2017 law.
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 10, 2017 5:09:27 GMT -5
Last year, .243 and .30 calibers were specifically called HIGH POWERED RIFLES, which were only legal on private land. PISTOL CALIBER RIFLES were specifically named as legal on public land, however this was not stated in the rule changes. This years rule change dropped the HIGH POWER, and said .243 and larger, which (possibly inadvertently) encompassed the PCR's. Has anyone looked into the Indiana Code, from years back, to check the specific wording which initially allowed PCR's on public land? Where does it say "High power" in any of the wording in the 2016 law? The wording is identical to the 2017 law, minus the cartridge requirements. 2016: 2017
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 9, 2017 20:11:08 GMT -5
Why wait a year later to enforce something already written? What changed? The definition of legal calibers. Last year they write the rifle law with the "specified calibers" ( I know, it was a mess) and this year the definition of legal calibers covers the PCR legal parameters as well. But last year, it stated that the rifle "MUST" be one of those calibers, so basically if it didn't have a .243 or .30cal bullet it should have been illegal last year. That rules out all the common .44s and .357's and .45's etc...
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 8, 2017 18:51:10 GMT -5
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 8, 2017 18:38:40 GMT -5
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 7, 2017 21:06:07 GMT -5
It is covered by Indiana hunting laws and regulations. Anywhere you hunt in Indiana ...."Indiana hunting laws and regulations" are basically in place other then highfence! Anyone know where there not followed in Indiana? Don't some military bases have their own restrictions? Big Oaks has their "special hunts", right? I've never been there but I thought they had a muzzleloader hunt in October or Early November.
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 7, 2017 8:21:42 GMT -5
Just chatted with another LEO about IC vs IAC and it does seem like the IC is overriding the IAC.
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 7, 2017 7:54:11 GMT -5
Does anyone know for a fact that IC trumps IAC? I have yet to find any info on the matter.
Here's what IAC code says about rifles...
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 6, 2017 22:38:42 GMT -5
Just talked to a huntin' buddy of mine that is a sheriff deputy to get a better understanding of the differentiation between IC and IAC codes. Basically, anything enforceable is under IC code. So if the IC code says that "rifles are only permitted on private land", then that is what the COs have to enforce. He said he wouldn't be surprised if there is a memo sent out soon to clarify which piece of code is going to be enforced.
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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 6, 2017 21:16:30 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out how, if two pieces of code cover similar topics but build on one-another, that one piece could effectively "override" the other.
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