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Post by kevin1 on Jan 20, 2007 14:03:31 GMT -5
enews.earthlink.net/article/nat?guid=20070120/45b1a1d0_3ca6_1552620070120-1236432481While I would agree that spanking a child should be a last resort, sometimes it's the only thing that will arrest bad behavior, especially with a particularly willful child who just won't respond to normal corrective measures such as time out in the corner or loss of privileges. My parents, like theirs before them, felt the same way and would tan my britches when necessary. They never applied corporal punishment excessively, even from my own point of view, and certainly not nearly as often as I actually deserved it. I've never held it against them, and in fact appreciate the fact that I grew up with a clear idea of where the boundaries lay, it saved me from making some potentially disastrous choices more than once. I don't feel that the state has any business telling me how to discipline children, their "one size fits all" approach doesn't fit all and rarely works anyway. If corporal punishment is taken to the point of obvious abuse then there should be a standard for that, but to arbitrarily tell me that I can't discipline my child or grandchild as I see fit borders on the dawning of the police state that should concern us all. Your thoughts?
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Post by wolfhound on Jan 20, 2007 14:20:37 GMT -5
When I was in school it was ok for teachers to use the paddle. Now you can't even look at a child crossways without someone screaming child abuse. It's gone way too far IMO. How about giving parents their rights back? If this thing passes it's one more chip off of freedom. It's looking like Democrats have their hammers and chisels ready to chip away.
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Post by drgreyhound on Jan 20, 2007 15:51:48 GMT -5
I don't feel that the state has any business telling me how to discipline children, their "one size fits all" approach doesn't fit all and rarely works anyway. If corporal punishment is taken to the point of obvious abuse then there should be a standard for that, but to arbitrarily tell me that I can't discipline my child or grandchild as I see fit borders on the dawning of the police state that should concern us all. You said it all, and you said it well...I completely agree! |
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Post by bsutravis on Jan 21, 2007 2:17:42 GMT -5
If a state can come into my house and tell me how to (or not to) discipline my children, than what CAN'T they come into my house and tell me to do?
This bill in CA is sponsored by a Demorcrat, however Republican Gov. Schwartzeneger (spelling) is interested in it since he and his skeleton of a wife do not believe in "spanking" their own children. I never was thrilled with Arnolds political views, and this makes me even more skeptical of him.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 21, 2007 2:24:26 GMT -5
If a time arises that a Government is no longer working for the people then it is the Responsibility of those who are able to to rise up and give the authority of the government back to people and create a new government for the people.
Or something along those lines.......I haven't read the thing in a while and National Treasure isn't on reruns right now.
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Post by deerdude on Jan 21, 2007 6:36:16 GMT -5
thats whats wrong with kids today,you cant touch them and they know it.i know some young women from work that raise there kids from reading a book,these kids are like hell on wheels.when i was growing up my mother could slap your face faster than ali could throw a punch.but i seem to have came out o.k.
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Post by semisneak on Jan 21, 2007 9:59:28 GMT -5
Children should be disciplined...........not punished. Flying off the handle and spanking your child in a fit of anger is wrong. A quick swat on the behind to correct a child's action is acceptable to a degree. This should be done more to shock a child instead of hurt him or her. Teachers should not have been allowed to spank children unless they had permission from the parents........they would never get my permission. These are my children....I will pass out the discipline.
The government needs to stop trying to micromanage everyones lives. Instead of trying stupid crap like this why don't they start programs to educate the parents on child raising. Super Nanny can run the programs. ;D
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Post by hoosieroutdoorsman on Jan 21, 2007 10:17:29 GMT -5
I grew up with butt whoopuns and myself nor my older brother have ever felt we were abused physically nor mentally by it. Take a look at the kids today, they have no respect for anyone or anything specially themselves or their parents. These bleeding heart associations need to leave the child raising up to the parents, there is a big difference in spanking a child and putting it in the hospitol with broken bones or head injuries. My father was a Marine during the Korean war, one of the toughest men I have ever seen. He could be as gentle as a lamb but when the belt came out the games stopped immediately.
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Post by indianahick on Jan 21, 2007 12:33:20 GMT -5
Most of the time maybe the time out in a corner thing works but if that is the worst punishment meted out then a lot of kids just do not care about what they do. Because they think that the punishment is a joke. I have even heard some say that if their parent ever touched them they would send that parent to jail. There was a lot of what could be called abuse now called discipline back in the 40's & 50's. The wheel had turned to far now and needs to go back but not all the way. As for being paddled or made to stand in the hall at school. Neither of which can be done now. There are reasons that discipline should be meted out then. As no notes will make it home and anyone thinking that they would lives in a fantasy world. But the punishment should fit the crime. Talking back, cussing a teacher, definitely. Dropping books to disturb classes, My granddaughter comes home every day talking about how some students keep classes so disrupted that the teacher can not teach and there is nothing that can be done. Detention is a joke.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jan 22, 2007 7:58:38 GMT -5
None of their business. Sometimes something more than words is in order. Abuse is unacceptable. Pain is a great deterrent & if the state would have ever shown-up on my doorstep they could have experienced it first-hand.
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Post by chicobrownbear on Jan 22, 2007 8:20:26 GMT -5
All the spankings I got (hand to the rear end) were never painful, it was just the sudden justice that scared you and helped you think more clearly about how swift consequences were attatched to some behaviors.
Now hickory switches are an entirely different animal.
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Post by bowpro1 on Jan 22, 2007 15:08:22 GMT -5
All the spankings I got (hand to the rear end) were never painful, it was just the sudden justice that scared you and helped you think more clearly about how swift consequences were attatched to some behaviors. Now hickory switches are an entirely different animal. My granddad you peach tree limbs. Said he didn't have a hickory tree to use. Left a lasting impression on me. It's one thing to know right from wrong, it's another to abide by it. |
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Post by dlawrence on Jan 22, 2007 18:55:16 GMT -5
Parents aren't doing their kids any favors when the kid gets in trouble at school and the the parent goes in and gets them off the hook from weak administrators.
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Post by nodog on Jan 22, 2007 19:53:38 GMT -5
I agree. I just wish people would see the problem for what it is. If they did then they would not agree to give away other freedom issues. Freedom has already been settled in the courts and we lost the only thing missing is the wrong people, enough wrong people.
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Post by TagTeamHunter on Jan 22, 2007 22:21:25 GMT -5
Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child. I'm covered, My Pastor told our church if we ever get in jail for proper spanking the first call is to him and he'll get you out!
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Post by lugnutz on Jan 22, 2007 22:38:28 GMT -5
Its sad what the world is coming to!  |
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Post by hunter480 on Jan 23, 2007 23:26:26 GMT -5
Hell yes spanking is perfectly fine-and not for shock value, as pain is a great motivator and teacher. A spanking in love is often called for when a child gets too far out of hand.
And hell no, the government had better not have gotten involved when my kids were young and I punished them-if it isn`t abuse, it`s not their damned concern.
Who couldn`t see crap like this coming though-when the government tells your underage daughter that she can have an abortion without your consent or knowledge-hell, telling you not to spank is minor compared to that-but some open-minded lefties decided that a parent is squashing their children’s “rights” to deny them the right to abort a child.
All these open-minded weirdo`s are going to be the undoing of this great nation.
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Post by firemanphob on Jan 24, 2007 22:13:48 GMT -5
I would never beat a child but what a lot of people don't understand is that there is a BIG difference between beating and a good old butt warming. My son once told me that if I spanked him he would turn me in for child abuse. I told him to go ahead and call but not to figure on sitting down while he was waiting on them to arrive. nuff said.
Mike
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