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Post by cambygsp on Jan 18, 2007 6:16:36 GMT -5
AND ORGANIZE!
This site seems to have a good mix of sporting folks, deer hunters, waterfowl, small game, upland birds, fishermen so on and so on.
It don't take rocket science to fill out the forms at the sec. of state, to form a non-profit corp. All meetings and elections could take place on line....whats your thoughts?
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jan 18, 2007 6:52:27 GMT -5
I'm game!
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Post by Decatur on Jan 18, 2007 7:03:06 GMT -5
hmmm. Interesting idea.
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 18, 2007 7:40:36 GMT -5
What would the goal for this be? We'd have to have a stated purpose etc. Education perhaps? and how would we impliment this; if just running a forum would it really gain anything? If you have something in mind beyond that then I'm curious and possibly interested in more.
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Post by davepowers on Jan 18, 2007 7:40:43 GMT -5
What would be the purpose of the group?
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Post by solohunter on Jan 18, 2007 7:44:35 GMT -5
What would be the purpose of the group? Ditto. Solohunter
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Post by Decatur on Jan 18, 2007 7:50:53 GMT -5
I think as an organized group, we should only work on non-volatile issues like pistol cartridge rifles for deer hunting, and the OBR. ;D
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Post by cambygsp on Jan 18, 2007 9:08:47 GMT -5
What would be the purpose of the group? To be a voice for the sporting folks who visit this site. The IDNR has historicaly listen to sporting groups....this is a sporting group, we are just not organized. As a group, we can weigh in on issues just like other organized groups do. "Hunting Indiana Inc." don't have to be weapon or species specific like the IBA or IDHA or Quail Unlimited so on and so on. Just an idea, but I think it's worth looking into!
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Post by swindianapaul on Jan 18, 2007 9:34:55 GMT -5
We are a group which shares a love for the outdoors and hunting, fishing, trapping, etc., but how we as individuals go about doing so varies dramatically. While organizing to provide input to DNR is a good thing, the minute you form a group you'll split your membership into those that do it my way and those that don't (just read the threads mentioned above about OBR & pistol rifle cartridges). Who's voice will be heard when the group goes to the DNR to provide input?
Organizing and forming a not-for-profit is not that difficult nor expensive; however, keep in mind: You'll likely have by-laws and a board. Assuming the board is elected, what happens to the not-for-profit if over time the board makeup changes or they desire to take a different direction than the one the original memership had input on? It happens all the time.
Sure, we can provide them 'unscientific' polls about members wishes and suggestions (in fact, this site's 'unscientific' polls could, and probably are forwarded to or read by DNR already). As individual members, we already have the right/ability to provide that to DNR on our own.
After spending 20+ years working with the general assembly, I can tell you that broad based organziations can work, but it is incredibly difficult to manage. If you look at the ones which have been successful, you'll find that often different sectors of the group will end up forming 'single issue' organziations outside of the original......in order to lobby/provide information on the issue they are most interested in.
Not trying to bash you or your idea, just pointing out some of the pitfalls of legally formalizing a group in order to lobby.....and call it what you will, it is lobbying and will be regulated by the state.
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Post by mbogo on Jan 18, 2007 9:52:45 GMT -5
AND ORGANIZE! This site seems to have a good mix of sporting folks, deer hunters, waterfowl, small game, upland birds, fishermen so on and so on. It don't take rocket science to fill out the forms at the sec. of state, to form a non-profit corp. All meetings and elections could take place on line....whats your thoughts? I've been thinking along those same lines for awhile now, but haven't yet had the time to begin the process or work out the details. I would certainly be interested.
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Post by hunter7x on Jan 18, 2007 9:56:28 GMT -5
I would have to agree that in order for it to work it would have to be one voice. I don't think everyone is on the same page with most issues concerning hunting in Indiana. We all share the passion but have different tastes for that passion.
Besides, I came here for info and a little orneryness not politics.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2007 10:04:40 GMT -5
I was one of several that did this off of the Kentuckyhunting.com site a few years ago. We formed what was called the Cyberhunters of Kentucky. Formed and joined the state org. and sent reps to their annual meeting. Raised money several times for NASP and other similar projects. Lobbied the KYDFWR on a lot of issues, and made a lot of changes within our Game Dept. At the time we formed, the Game Dept. didn't know the strength of the Iternet, and really didn't want everything that they did soing up the next hour after it happened. But over the years, they learned to better inform the sportsmen and that the internet is a valuable tool.
So, if you want the same prestige and power that a group such as the IDHA or the IBA, then do it. What you will find out is that it takes more than a couple of guys doing the work and attending meetings. You'll need a good letter writer that has a way with words, and some people skills. You need to know that expressions are hard to get across in an email. Keep dues low, and you'll get most people involved. Keep your member informed. And you'll need a closed section for members only on this site to conduct business.
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Post by jackc99 on Jan 18, 2007 10:13:14 GMT -5
I'd have to say that it's a duplication of the hundreds of conservation groups already out there. Like Paul I am working now with the legislature and the NRC on a several different rules and legislation. The big problem you are going to run into is that not everyone on this or any board agrees with all topics so you will have to water down what you can agree on. Next Tuesday the Indiana Conservation Alliance is puttting on conservation Day at the Statehouse. Go down there or contact your legislator and tell him to go down there and listen to the already "organized" folks about the very topics you are concerned with. Keep in mind that INCA is only one of these groups. The Sportsmens Roundtable and the Indiana Wildlife Federation also do a grreat job for the sportsmen of this state. Jack Indiana Conservation Alliance FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: ANGELA HUGHES (317) 951-8818 Conservation Day 2007 at the Statehouse, January 23rd Conservation Legislator of the Year Award Given (Indianapolis--January 3, 2007) Are you concerned about our rapidly changing environment? Do you wish your legislators shared your concerns? Are you confused or unsure as to how to communicate to your legislators? If you answered YES to any of these questions, you won’t want to miss the 3rd annual Conservation Day at the Statehouse, Tuesday January 23rd. Hosted by the Indiana Conservation Alliance (INCA), Conservation Day gives Hoosiers concerned about the future of Indiana’s natural resources an opportunity to have their voices heard at the Statehouse. “The issues that are important to legislators are the ones that are important to their constituents,” said Angela Hughes, organizer of Conservation Day. “Unless we take the time and effort as citizens to contact our legislators and let them know our concerns, we cannot expect or assume that they’ll vote in an environmentally-friendly manner.” Conservation Day will start with an organizational meeting at 9:30 a.m., followed by a reception for attendees and legislators in the North Atrium of the Statehouse. Conservation Legislator of the Year award will be presented at 11:15 a.m.. Conservation organizations from INCA will be displaying information at booths in the Atrium throughout the day. A resident critter from the Eagle Creek Park Nature Center will be visiting the statehouse as well. “This is Conservation Advocacy 101,” says Hughes. “Conservation Day will de-mystify the political process and open the door for Hoosiers to communicate easily and effectively with their legislators.” The Indiana Conservation Alliance is made up of Indiana’s leading conservation and environmental groups. Through INCA they will be advocating for the following priorities in this year’s legislative session: • $6 million for Indiana Heritage Trust in the Budget • $6 million for Clean Water Indiana in the Budget • Quality growth/land use policies, including farmland protection “Protecting Indiana’s natural resources will improve our quality of life across the board,” said Gary Doxtater of the Indiana Wildlife Federation. “What’s good for our forests and rivers is ultimately what’s best for Hoosiers. INCA members understand this, and it’s important that our legislators understand it, too.” For more information on Conservation Day or to register, please visit www.nature.org/indiana or contact Angela Hughes at: 317-951-8818 or ahughes@tnc.org. Sponsoring Organizations: Central Indiana Land Trust, Inc. • Central Indiana Wilderness Club • Hoosier Chapter of the Soil and Water Conservation Society • Hoosier Environmental Council • Hoosier Heartland RC& D • Hoosier Hikers Council Indiana Association of Soil and Water Conservation Districts • Indiana Forestry and Woodland Owners Association Indiana Native Plant and Wildflower Society • Indiana Organic Gardeners Association • Indiana Public Health Association • Indiana Society of American Foresters • Indiana State Council of Pheasants Forever, Inc. • Indiana Urban Forest Council• Indiana Wildlife Federation • Issak Walton League • National Audubon Society • Oxbow, Inc. • Save the Dunes • Sycamore Land Trust • The Garden Clubs of Indiana • The Nature Conservancy – Indiana Chapter • The Wildlife Society – Indiana Chapter • Whitewater Valley Land Trust
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Post by chicobrownbear on Jan 18, 2007 10:19:53 GMT -5
I agree with jack. It would be extremely difficult. On top of that, you go from an open forum where all are welcome, to a lobby group who tend to weed out those who are not like minded.
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 18, 2007 10:30:39 GMT -5
I thought perhaps you were going a different direction. I wouldn't be interested in it being a political organization.
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Post by kyle on Jan 18, 2007 10:43:38 GMT -5
would this group be for crossbows or against, for OBR or against. To many people with different opinions.
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Post by cambygsp on Jan 18, 2007 10:46:14 GMT -5
For or against crossbows for what...is there a current proposal on crossbows........The OBR is already decided.
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Post by kyle on Jan 18, 2007 10:47:25 GMT -5
I know but when these issues come up which side will it be on?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2007 11:11:33 GMT -5
I'd have to say that it's a duplication of the hundreds of conservation groups already out there. Very simple, like any other group. Post a thread on an issue and have the MEMBER vote. Except it's not a show of hands or on a piece of paper, it's recorded in the archieves of the web site. If you can enlist 20-50 members, you'll have a voice as powerful as any of the others out there.
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Post by Decatur on Jan 18, 2007 11:21:18 GMT -5
I think at the very least, we could get organized to support good causes such NASP, or even hunter classes. I vote we stay out of politics and concentrate on helping outdoors lovers who need it through fund raising or volunteering. $.02
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