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Post by Decatur on Dec 11, 2006 18:17:53 GMT -5
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Post by firstwd on Dec 11, 2006 20:42:37 GMT -5
NOPE!!!
He would just sit down to the table and venison would be the main course.
Remember, the creatures of the Earth are provided for us to use to help sustain life, i.e......food, clothing. They were not meant for us to pursue just for a trophy of our conquest. We proved centuries ago that we were superior enough to destroy all of God's creation.
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Post by Sasquatch on Dec 12, 2006 6:30:47 GMT -5
First of all, you have to decide if He would eat meat. The answer would have to be yes, since the Bible records Jesus eating the Passover feast. Lamb was served at the Passover feast, and one was required to eat it. To not eat the lamb was a sin. Jesus is also recorded eating fish. Fish, while not a four legged critter, is still an animal that you have to kill to eat.
Would Jesus eat a deer? Yes, a deer is an animal that divides the hoof and chews the cud, so it is permissible to eat under the Law.
Now, would Jesus hunt? Well, the Bible is silent on the subject. Jesus was the son of a tradesmen, in a settled area, so it is likely that whatever meat he might have had would have been purchased. Does that mean Jesus never hunted? No, it doesn't. 2000 years after the fact, we cannot know precisely what opportunities He might have had to hunt game, if any.
I suspect that if Jesus had been out traveling with his family and happened to have a bow in his hand when a deer wandered up, and He needed the meat, He would have taken it with a grateful heart.
However, this is Jesus Christ we are talking about here, and on the question of hunting we are only speculating, and I hesitate to give Jesus any hobby, no matter how wholesome, that he may not have had.
It is safe to say that Jesus had nothing against hunting, as it does not conflict with God's Law. Also, we must remember that in the 1st century A.D. silly ideas like animal rights did not exist. In a world where your life was worth less than nothing, folks were too worried about survival to contemplate such foolish notions. The only restrictions on taking animal life at the time would have been religious in nature, as in the case of those who might have worshipped a particular critter. The only rules Jews had with regard to meat eating were dietary restrictions within the law.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Dec 12, 2006 6:58:07 GMT -5
If it were necessary for him to do so, I am sure he would. Very interesting post D.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 12, 2006 10:57:00 GMT -5
First of all, you have to decide if He would eat meat. The answer would have to be yes, since the Bible records Jesus eating the Passover feast. Lamb was served at the Passover feast, and one was required to eat it. To not eat the lamb was a sin. Jesus is also recorded eating fish. Fish, while not a four legged critter, is still an animal that you have to kill to eat. Would Jesus eat a deer? Yes, a deer is an animal that divides the hoof and chews the cud, so it is permissible to eat under the Law. You are good to here. I would have to say no, for this reason. As an Observant Jew, Jesus followed Kashrut, the kosher dietary rules. By definition, an animal that has been Hunted cannot be Kosher - UNLESS - you happen to be so good with a Bow that you can consistantly slice the Jugular & Corotids - the only Kosher method of slaughter. Jewish Law does NOT prohibit hunting as either a method of livelihood (for Skins, byproducts or to sell the meat to Goyim) but eating the meat of an animal that has not been "ritually" slaughtered is a no-no. Once again though, as you say, this is Jesus Christ, so I would guess that if you gave him a bow he could use it in a way so as not to "Sin" according to Jewish Law.
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Post by Sasquatch on Dec 12, 2006 13:57:34 GMT -5
I stand corrected! You are absolutely right, ironsights. I forgot about the whole special slaughter detail. The person doing the slaughter must be a specially trained person as well, right? In view of the new evidence, I would have to change my answer to "depends." If he's shooting bambi for skins or other things, then yes. If he's shooting bambi to eat, then no. Well done, Ironsights. I have a pretty well-rounded knowledge of history, but it appears I need to brush up on "Kashrut." ( at least before I post on a forum. Trust not thy memory. )
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 12, 2006 14:22:55 GMT -5
"Specially trained" if working at a Facility. But IIRC (I'm a religion nut, not a Jew) if you are butchering a sheep/cow/goat/chicken for your own use you just have to make sure the cut across the neck is a single, clean cut and then that all the blood is drained.
Harder to do on a cow than a chicken, so bigger critters usually get the "professional" treatment.
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Post by retnuhreed on Dec 12, 2006 16:32:30 GMT -5
I believe I read in the bible it is a sin to eat an animal that has a split hoof.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 12, 2006 16:50:50 GMT -5
quote Rabbi Mordechai Becher: " A kosher animal must be a ruminant and have split hooves -- cows, sheep, goats and deer are all kosher, whereas camels and pigs (having each only one sign of kashrut) are not kosher. Most common fowl are kosher, like chickens, ducks and geese, but the birds of prey (hawks, eagles etc.) are not kosher. A sea creature is only kosher if it has fins and scales. So most species of fish are kosher (tuna, salmon, flounder, etc.) but all shellfish are not kosher; dolphins, whales and squids are also not kosher. Any food product of a non-kosher animal is also non-kosher. The exception to this rule is bee's honey. " www.kashrut.com/articles/soul_food/
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 12, 2006 17:02:26 GMT -5
Did Jesus Declare All Foods Clean?
Mark 7:18 (NIV) "Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? 7:19 For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body."
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 12, 2006 17:46:13 GMT -5
Yep. But in context, he was talking about eating with unwashed hands... violating a "tradition of the Elders" not actual Law. Wasn't until Peter's Vision that that which was Traiyf was declared Good with "Arise and Eat".
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Post by indianagooseman on Dec 12, 2006 18:53:38 GMT -5
Acts 10:10-16
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
Sounds to me like that includes about everything not just the kosher stuff.
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Post by nodog on Dec 13, 2006 7:13:09 GMT -5
I think He has. He is also Spirit and as that He has through people, helped them provide food for those who need it. I can't help feeling every deer I've ever shot was given to me. Could be many reasons for it, I don't know. My kids pray for me to get one. Might just be for them.
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