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Post by greghopper on Aug 3, 2006 17:25:52 GMT -5
Is shooting a Deer in a food plot BAITING??? Myself I think it is just as much baiting as anything else...Nothing wrong with Food PLOTS just don't HUNT over them!!!!!
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Post by hoyt1166 on Aug 4, 2006 10:52:59 GMT -5
Is shooting a Deer in a food plot BAITING??? Myself I think it is just as much baiting as anything else...Nothing wrong with Food PLOTS just don't HUNT over them!!!!! Agree wholeheartedly. It also brings into question the use of sexual attractants during the rut. You're doing the same thing as baiting with food, just attacking a different and stronger urge. I would think that would classify technically as baiting as well. I say to each his own as long as it's legal and not immoral or unethical or has the ability to harm the herd.
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Post by hunter480 on Aug 4, 2006 11:16:35 GMT -5
Is shooting a Deer in a food plot BAITING??? Myself I think it is just as much baiting as anything else...Nothing wrong with Food PLOTS just don't HUNT over them!!!!! Agree wholeheartedly. It also brings into question the use of sexual attractants during the rut. You're doing the same thing as baiting with food, just attacking a different and stronger urge. I would think that would classify technically as baiting as well. I say to each his own as long as it's legal and not immoral or unethical or has the ability to harm the herd. I believe you`re REALLY reaching to state that food plots or attractants are “baiting”. You have to look at what shooting deer at feeders has caused-when any animal gets programmed to come to a particular area at a set time, THAT`S baiting. Fish get trained to show up at a particular part of a body of water to receive their chow, deer can become trained as well. Setting out a bottle of doe-in-heat pee, planting a food plot, neither of these alter any deer’s behavior on an on-going basis. A buck MIGHT decide to investigate that hot doe he believes he smells, and I`ve had two encounters I know were influenced by the doe urine, but I`ve had probably 500 that the urine didn`t help at all. The deer may choose to feed at the food plot ANY time of day or night, and depending on the size of the plot, they may choose to enter the field from any of a number of areas, so it`s certainly NOT a sure thing. I`ve heard guys state that “hunting over a picked corn field is BAITING”. THAT is REALLY pushing things to an extreme, as crop fields may be 200 acres, and even IF you happen to be there when they decide to feed, they may be so far away you couldn`t hit them with a precision guided rocket. I wouldn`t ever hunt over a feeder, or even a pile of buck grub like uncle ted, and it`s absolutely fine if your particular ethics are even stricter than most folks, but it can be taken to an extreme point.
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Post by hoyt1166 on Aug 4, 2006 12:36:57 GMT -5
Agree wholeheartedly. It also brings into question the use of sexual attractants during the rut. You're doing the same thing as baiting with food, just attacking a different and stronger urge. I would think that would classify technically as baiting as well. I say to each his own as long as it's legal and not immoral or unethical or has the ability to harm the herd. I believe you`re REALLY reaching to state that food plots or attractants are “baiting”. You have to look at what shooting deer at feeders has caused-when any animal gets programmed to come to a particular area at a set time, THAT`S baiting. Fish get trained to show up at a particular part of a body of water to receive their chow, deer can become trained as well. Setting out a bottle of doe-in-heat pee, planting a food plot, neither of these alter any deer’s behavior on an on-going basis. A buck MIGHT decide to investigate that hot doe he believes he smells, and I`ve had two encounters I know were influenced by the doe urine, but I`ve had probably 500 that the urine didn`t help at all. The deer may choose to feed at the food plot ANY time of day or night, and depending on the size of the plot, they may choose to enter the field from any of a number of areas, so it`s certainly NOT a sure thing. I`ve heard guys state that “hunting over a picked corn field is BAITING”. THAT is REALLY pushing things to an extreme, as crop fields may be 200 acres, and even IF you happen to be there when they decide to feed, they may be so far away you couldn`t hit them with a precision guided rocket. I wouldn`t ever hunt over a feeder, or even a pile of buck grub like uncle ted, and it`s absolutely fine if your particular ethics are even stricter than most folks, but it can be taken to an extreme point. Agreed that timed-feeders do program. However, baiting is still baiting and it's used quite a bit. I'm not saying that all baiting is equal, just saying that whether you use scents, food or even calling, it is baiting. You may not classify it as the same type of baiting, but it is baiting, nonetheless. This is why I don't have a problem with baiting. I wouldn't use a timed-feeder in any circumstance but that's just me. Food plots may not program the deer on a set-time, however, they can be used to alter a deer's travel patterns. Once, the deer may have travelled quite infrequently to a certain spot. Plant a food plot and then they show up quite regularly. It's baiting anyway you look at it. Don't get me wrong; I would never want to legislate against the use of food plots or sexual attractants. Just stating that while you may not consider food plots and sexual attractants as bait, they are just that. There's nothing wrong with it (IMO) but it is what it is.
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