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Post by lugnutz on Jul 1, 2006 16:58:58 GMT -5
An outfitting industry would be good for this state. Create a few jobs, bring in tourism dollars, make the IDNR a few more bucks on non res license sales, etc. It's going on in many other states, and hasn't exaclty ruined hunting. Why is it, if we rank as high as reported, that their isn't any Outfitters in the state? Did we P :-Xss them off? Lug
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Post by hornharvester on Jul 1, 2006 18:39:53 GMT -5
Isn't outfitters just another word for leasing agents? Why in the hell do we want to be like Illinois? Like woody said there are and have been big deer here all the time, we rank 6th in the nation. This big deer behind every tree that a few want so bad is because they don't want to get off there lazy ass and hunt them. These guys want to build a box blind (just like on their favorite TV show) and sit in 100 ace food plots and pick out a booner. As Ive said before deer hunting is more about managing the herd that it is about big antlers. Bring back the second buck and ban leasing agents. Lets not commercialize deer hunting like other states have or we will be like England, the rich get to hunt and the poor don't. h.h.
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Post by lugnutz on Jul 2, 2006 1:02:12 GMT -5
Isn't outfitters just another word for leasing agents? Why in the hell do we want to be like Illinois? Like woody said there are and have been big deer here all the time, we rank 6th in the nation. This big deer behind every tree that a few want so bad is because they don't want to get off there lazy ass and hunt them. These guys want to build a box blind (just like on their favorite TV show) and sit in 100 ace food plots and pick out a booner. As Ive said before deer hunting is more about managing the herd that it is about big antlers. Bring back the second buck and ban leasing agents. Lets not commercialize deer hunting like other states have or we will be like England, the rich get to hunt and the poor don't. h.h. Im not sure what "agent" you were with, but an outfitter brings in revenue that otherwise wasn't their. Also, an outfitter is nothing like a leasing outfitter, sounds like you might wanna get to know better what an outfitter actually is. Google it. Fact is an outfitter will build jobs, and bring in revenue, unlike you, and your way of thinking. Put our surrrounding states DNR budget next to ours, and u "might" see a difference. Some people just need to take the blindfold off! Deer hunting today isn't like it was when your grandpa took you hunting, like it or not, its just the way it is! Sorry about your loss, Lug
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Post by drs on Jul 2, 2006 7:01:40 GMT -5
In reality, the only areas where land values are increasing faster than inflation, is near big cities. You are correct that land or anything is worth only what someone is willing to pay. I posted to Woody, yesterday..... Those of us older Hunters have seen the Golden Days of Hunting when it was an actual sport, to enjoy, not a money making venture or Business.... You younger Hunters, unless you own your own hunting land, are not going to have the hunting oppertunities he had when I started hunting, back in the early '60's.
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Post by huxbux on Jul 2, 2006 9:50:25 GMT -5
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Exactly right. Indiana now ranks above south Texas in B&C bucks taken! (2005 stats)
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Post by steiny on Jul 2, 2006 10:09:46 GMT -5
"The Golden Days"? These are the golden days of hunting. I seem to remember those "golden days" around here as a kid when there were no; deer, turkey or geese to even hunt.
The man upstairs gives us all (xx) amount of days on the face of this earth, and it's up to each of us what we choose to do with them. If hunting is your thing, I suggest you find a way to do it. If that means working harder, or giving up something else to earn the scratch for a lease or hunting trip, driving further, beating on a hundred farmers doors to ask permission, etc. then so be it.
What in the world makes anyone think they are entitled to free land access and unlimited hunting next door for free, all their lives. If you have that scenario, be thankful and enjoy it, but don't be too shocked if that opportunity gets away some day. Heck, you can't do hardly any other type of recreation for free, yet we line up gladly to pay for the chance.
Lugnutz - Your remarks are right on the mark. If this this state would wake up and start handling the natural resources like a business, Indiana might soon have some extra cash to expand it's public land and improve hunting opportunities for all.
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Post by hornharvester on Jul 2, 2006 11:47:30 GMT -5
Im not sure what "agent" you were with, but an outfitter brings in revenue that otherwise wasn't their. Also, an outfitter is nothing like a leasing outfitter, sounds like you might wanna get to know better what an outfitter actually is. Google it.
Ive never been with an outfitter and never will. Most all if not all the outfitters i see on TV lease most of their hunting property if not all of it from their neighbors. If they don't lease then they are a high fence venture.
Fact is an outfitter will build jobs, and bring in revenue, unlike you, and your way of thinking. Put our surrrounding states DNR budget next to ours, and u "might" see a difference.
Please list the jobs these outfitters provide along with the pay scale. My guess a job at McDonalds will pay more.
Some people just need to take the blindfold off! Deer hunting today isn't like it was when your grandpa took you hunting, like it or not, its just the way it is!
People who are pushing for outfitters or commercializing deer hunting here in Indiana are looking for nothing but momentary gains and that means they are either a want-to-be-outfitter or leasing agent. Which one are you?
Sorry about your loss,
No loss here. I own 135 acres of land that is dedicated to wildlife and I DON'T WANT TO LEASE IT! As they say just follow the trail of MONEY and you will see what motivates certain people to change. h.h.
Lug
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Post by lugnutz on Jul 2, 2006 22:27:34 GMT -5
HH, I'm guessing a leasing agent, is someone that finds a lease for someone thats wants to lease? I really don't know. I'm also uncertain of how many hunters any certain outfitter brings in during each season. But i do know, these hunters need a place to stay, something to eat, a way to get here, someone to guide them, someone to mount their buck and someone to cut it up for them. I would think an outfitter would need several "hands" to help them throughout the year. I also know a non-resident tag is well over a 100$ a tag here in Indiana, the extra revenue from that alone, would give the state more opportunity to keep up its already owned state ground and still have extra money to purchase more available ground. I know I'd love to work at a place like that, work in an environment in which i much adore. I suppose they don't hire as many employee's as McDonald's, and I'm sure the medical, and 401k isn't too great either. Also, my pockets aren't deep enough to purchase several 100 acres to be an outfitter of any kind. And i don't think I'm a leasing agent But what i am is someone thats pushing for higher quality control from the state to benefit everyone. Your comment about the trail of money, for most people they,we will soon have to follow that trail, whether we like it or not. Its plainly obvious that the state cannot afford to keep its original public grounds, more less purchase anymore. So that leaves us begging for permission from a landowner, and while we are hunting on this ground for free, someone with a pocket book, will come in behind us, offer money to the landowner, and take the hunting rights over for that area. Sure their are still people that will let you hunt on their property, but that number is declining each and every year. So yes, the money trail will have to be followed in the very near future, like it or not. Lug
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Post by steiny on Jul 4, 2006 13:28:19 GMT -5
A leasing agent works with landowners to find hunters who would like to pay a fee to lease the landowners ground. For that service he gets a small fee.
An outfitter has prearranged access to property which holds game, then provides an outfitted hunt for paying hunters. The level of service provided can vary widely, from basic land access where you find your own lodging, to complete lodging, meat care, meals, transportation and guiding in the field, etc. Cost goes up or down accordingly.
Both of these services are strictly voluntary. If there wasn't a demand, these guys couldn't be in business.
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