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Post by turkeyscout on Jun 20, 2006 8:39:33 GMT -5
my question is should all hunters practice good hunting ethics? i had a situation last season that cost me the lost of a long friend ship because of my views of hunting ethics. to tell my side of the story it begins like this: i have permission to hunt on a 80 acre farm , my past friend doesn"t, i"m the type that likes to share all experiences of hunting with friends which includes where i hunt and why i"m hunting there, which i feel it adds to the enjoyment of the hunt,early last year i got permission from the owner to put up a permanent stand, second time in my hunting career, mostly i hunt from climbling portables or lock ons.me and my grandson spent 16 enjoyable hours putting up a comfortable stand in four tulip populars with two seats. to be used when we don"t want to carry all our equipment to further spots.as the season starts, for some reason my past friend is scouting this area for sign in the white oaks near my stand, i didn"t say much, but i didn"t like it either. well he found a white oak that was being hit hard by deer fifty yards from my stand, then he shows his son where to hunt and he scores the second time he hunts there, a nice size doe that ran past our permanant stand, i wasn"t hunting there at the time, that evening i seen my past friend son and he told me he scored and i congratulated him on scoring i think this was his first with a bow , then i told him to stay out of the area because we were hunting there and he knew that, so he went home and told his dad i didn"t want them in our hunting area, then his dad came over to my cabin about 10:30 p.m. past bed time all puffed up and mad. i just told him that we work hard to put that stand in and didn"t want to share the area with univited hunters, he didn"t understand my views,so we are not friends anymore. should ethics be considered in deer hunting? any comments?....turkey scout
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Post by squirrelhunter on Jun 20, 2006 9:52:34 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd label that "ethics" or just plain "common courtesy".Either way in my book he had no right to come over and jump down your throat.I know there's some that won't agree,because every time a tread about "ethics" comes up it's that way,but that's my view of it.Every place I've ever hunted,everyone knows where everyone else hunts and everyone stays away from other hunters areas,unless they say they don't care.That's just common courtesy to me.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jun 20, 2006 10:05:44 GMT -5
You said it all "my past friend doesn't". I share your feelings on staking claim to a private property hunting spot. You did all of the necessary homework & legwork to secure a hunting spot that you have confidence & comfort in. Deer hunting ethics to me has always meant " do not crowd a fellow hunter intentionally". Show some class & find an unoccupied area that you have permission to hunt.
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Post by Decatur on Jun 20, 2006 11:26:43 GMT -5
That's a shame to lose a friend like that, but I don't blame you one bit for letting him know he was crowding you, especially since it was a stand you were hoping to get your grandson a deer.
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Post by wolfhound on Jun 20, 2006 12:03:33 GMT -5
Every place I've ever hunted,everyone knows where everyone else hunts and everyone stays away from other hunters areas,unless they say they don't care.That's just common courtesy to me. I wish that happened here. My brother in law and his friends have run through the areas I was in, while I was in them, several times. They do nothing but drive deer and do not care who is there. I'm not the only hunter they drive over. |
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Post by huxbux on Jun 20, 2006 20:25:36 GMT -5
I would never dream of crowding another guys spot, even on public land.
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Post by solohunter on Jun 21, 2006 3:57:40 GMT -5
I have experienced many things that hunters should have the common courtesy to not do..sad, but sounds like this person does not care about nor respect a fellow hunters' hard work..
Solohunter
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Post by kevin1 on Jun 21, 2006 5:50:54 GMT -5
i have permission to hunt on a 80 acre farm , my past friend doesn't To me that says it all , why was he there in the first place ? He crossed the line , and doesn't seem to be much of a friend if he'd let something so petty come between you . It's a hobby , for pete's sake . |
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Post by DaWG on Jun 21, 2006 5:51:13 GMT -5
This is a matter of courtesy not ethics. There are idiots in every form of work and pleasure. Our society is a such a "ME" society that your "past friends" thought process doesn't surprise me. I doubt he has learned his lesson. He will probably latch on to another kind soul and abuse him the same way, until they are fed up with his actions.
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Post by camoham on Jun 21, 2006 10:41:33 GMT -5
there is a difference between "ethics" and "common sense"
regarding common sense:
ive seen some of the brightest individuals in life lack this simple ability or trait...............with no explanation as to why.
regarding ethics:
to me................they come from the inside............or the "good stuff" you either have it or you dont care. (can be learned or self-observed)
im thankful i have been gifted with both.
with the mentioned individual..................it is a shame to lose a friendship over it.....................but then again......................a man's got to have his principles!
camoham
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Post by hunter7x on Jun 21, 2006 10:49:05 GMT -5
" do not crowd a fellow hunter intentionally".
Sounds like a man law to me !! Put it in the book !
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Post by jstalljon on Jun 21, 2006 11:16:24 GMT -5
" do not crowd a fellow hunter intentionally". Sounds like a man law to me !! Put it in the book ! Man law? Man law!!!! ROTFLMAO ;D good one Hunter7x |
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jun 21, 2006 12:37:54 GMT -5
" do not crowd a fellow hunter intentionally". Sounds like a man law to me !! Put it in the book ! Man Law! You're killing me.LOL LOL ;D ;D |
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Post by chicobrownbear on Jun 21, 2006 15:07:38 GMT -5
" do not crowd a fellow hunter intentionally". Sounds like a man law to me !! Put it in the book ! Kind of like these: Under no circumstances may two men share an umbrella.
On a road trip, the strongest bladder determines pit stops, not the weakest.
If a mans zipper is down, that’s his problem, you didn’t see anything!
Any dispute lasting any longer than 3 minutes will and must be settled by rock, paper, scissors. There is no argument too important for this determining method.
A man's shoes may not intentionally match any other article of clothing on his body.
When stumbling upon other guys watching a sporting event, you may always ask the score of the game in progress, but you may never ask who's playing. |
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Post by lugnutz on Jun 21, 2006 22:39:50 GMT -5
I personally don't blame you for being upset about the situation that you are currently going through.
But, if he is a close friend to you, i think you should try to work out the differences, good friends are hard to come by, even if you do have your difference of opinion on certain things.
I'm not saying call him, and kiss his ***, but call and see whats going on and etc....
Good luck,
Lug
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Post by DaWG on Jun 22, 2006 5:48:06 GMT -5
I didn't read anywhere that this fellow was a "Close friend", only a "past friend" It sounds to me as if the decision has already been made based on the circumstances.
I agree everyone makes bad decisions now and again. From the original post I got the feeling the fellow was undermining Turkeyscout and his efforts to secure a hunting spot on land HE DOESN'T HAVE PERMISSION TO HUNT without Turkeyscout.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jun 22, 2006 6:40:36 GMT -5
" do not crowd a fellow hunter intentionally". Sounds like a man law to me !! Put it in the book ! Kind of like these: Under no circumstances may two men share an umbrella.
On a road trip, the strongest bladder determines pit stops, not the weakest.
If a mans zipper is down, that’s his problem, you didn’t see anything!
Any dispute lasting any longer than 3 minutes will and must be settled by rock, paper, scissors. There is no argument too important for this determining method.
A man's shoes may not intentionally match any other article of clothing on his body.
When stumbling upon other guys watching a sporting event, you may always ask the score of the game in progress, but you may never ask who's playing. "No rainbow decals allowed" |
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Post by trapperdave on Jun 22, 2006 8:15:07 GMT -5
I agree withyou and hear where you are comig from! That said here is another twist, I have a place I have hunted and trapped for over 20 years, owned by a guy my dad grew up with,farmed by a fella I went to school with. About 10 years ago he gave permission to another guy I know and went to school with along with his son and brother. They now have permanent stands EVERYWHERE on the property. Now I just hunt where I want when I want(if they arent there). If youre gonna put a stand in every other tree thinking you are staking out "your" spots, think again.........I hunted there long before and will long after they are gone. And the best part is when I leave the only thing left behind is my footprints.
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Post by drs on Jun 22, 2006 9:23:47 GMT -5
I would never dream of crowding another guys spot, even on public land. Myself included. There is a small woods near where I live, that I hunted Squirrels in for several years. I was thinking about hunting it once during the M/L season and I had permission to hunt this area. Well, while I was Squirrelhunting one morning, I met another hunter who was setting up his ladder stand. We talked a bit and I learned that he lived near this area, and had bow hunted & gun hunted here for several years now. I didn't mentioned that I plan to hunt during the M/L season in December. On the way home I thought to myself that this nice fellow has no other place to hunt Deer, and I have my own 15 acres, in the back of my home. SO I decided NOT to hunt where this fellow was planning to hunt, as I just didn't feel right about it. In short I just didn't feel right about moving in on someones' hunting spot especially since they were there first. |
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Post by single_shooter on Jun 22, 2006 13:29:38 GMT -5
Sounds like you and I have the same issue with "past friends"
I have had a couple of guys I have taken hunting with me only to have the landowners call and ask why I gave my friends permission to hunt there when I had no right to do so...seems they felt that since I took them there that they then had permission to go hunt there any time they wanted.
I have also had this same issue with others who bring their buddies and next weekend their buddy shows up with a couple of his buddies,and so on, and so on...it is a nightmare that I put down harshly and immediately with no concern for personal feelings or friendships. It is the only way to get the point across clearly to these thieves. And yes, that is precisely what they are. They enter property without permission with a loaded weapon to steal wild game. They might as well kick down the door to your house and empty your refrigerator as far s I am concerned.
Such behavior is not that which hunters abide by, it is childish, selfish and very unethical...let the guy find his own hunting spots and you can keep better company without him around.
Not that I have any strong feelings about this.
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