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Post by lugnutz on Jun 17, 2006 22:30:49 GMT -5
If i were to enclose 150 acres with a 6-8 foot fence, manage the deer on the property the way i want (legally), without purchasing, or any breeding tactics of any sort, hunt the property myself along with my buds, do you alll see a problem with this? Would it be a "threat" to outside populations?
You can say that the Deer belong to the state of Indiana all you want, but when we buy the tags, aren't we in reality purchasing an animal, or minimal, purchasing the right to hunt and kill the animal--that is, with restrictions.
Your thoughts greatly appreciated
Thanks,
Lug
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Post by drs on Jun 18, 2006 6:34:46 GMT -5
If i were to enclose 150 acres with a 6-8 foot fence, manage the deer on the property the way i want (legally), without purchasing, or any breeding tactics of any sort, hunt the property myself along with my buds, do you alll see a problem with this? Would it be a "threat" to outside populations? You can say that the Deer belong to the state of Indiana all you want, but when we buy the tags, aren't we in reality purchasing an animal, or minimal, purchasing the right to hunt and kill the animal--that is, with restrictions. Your thoughts greatly appreciated Thanks,Lug Lug, Constructing a 6 to 8 foot fence around a 150 acre piece of property, would not threaten the outside Deer Population. Unless an infected animal is introduced to the herd. To answer your other question on ownership of Deer, that happen to be on that property; YES they still belong to the people of Indiana as well as other wildlife species. Your license/tag purchases is NOT the act of "Buying" an animal but rather a permit to hunt one legally. Money collected from licenses and tags are used to partly fund the IDNR. , for projects. (At least they are suspose to) |
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Post by solohunter on Jun 18, 2006 7:09:57 GMT -5
Buy alot of tags with the money spent on the fence3..
Solohunter
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 18, 2006 7:20:57 GMT -5
What I understand...
First off if anyone were to enclose acreage with a deer proof fence (I doubt 6 foot would get it) they would have to drive all the deer out of the enclosure before closing it off.
The deer belong to the state (and that is us) and no one can legally contain them.
After obtaining a breeders permit, the person would then have to stock deer themselves with none being being brought in from out of state.
The legalities of the person and their buds then hunting them is up in the air.
So is selling "hunts".
Hope fully that will be put to bed very shortly.
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Post by lugnutz on Jun 18, 2006 9:32:06 GMT -5
What I understand...First off if anyone were to enclose acreage with a deer proof fence (I doubt 6 foot would get it) they would have to drive all the deer out of the enclosure before closing it off. The deer belong to the state (and that is us) and no one can legally contain them. After obtaining a breeders permit, the person would then have to stock deer themselves with none being being brought in from out of state. The legalities of the person and their buds then hunting them is up in the air. So is selling "hunts". Hope fully that will be put to bed very shortly. The idea of putting a 6ft fence up isn't intended for keeping the deer in, instead its purpose is keeping people out. You can still have all the posted signs in the world up, but unless you live near the area in which you own this property, you really don't have a clue what goes on around it. Besides with the price of scouting cameras, and feeders you don't want someone stealing or destroying them. I also believe a fence that is 5-6ft tall would be short enough for a deer to escape if they needed to, and tall enough to keep most if not all hunters out. When i purchase a buck or doe tag this year, it enables me to kill either of them in a legal fashion. So when i kill one its mine correct? With this in mind, how does a "breeder" get deer to breed without enclosing them, containing them and having them picked up without owning them? Isn't this illegal? Since any deer that is alive is owned by the state. BTW does IDNR recieve any money for deer killed outside of the season, such as being hit by vehicles, farm equipment etc...? If you destroy state owned property you have to pay for it, is this the case with wildlife? Sorry i just don't believe that the people/or the state owns the deer, the state owns the rights to actively pursue the taking of whitetail deer, but yet they/you don't own the deer. Thanks again, Lug |
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Post by drs on Jun 18, 2006 10:11:59 GMT -5
That is the way the laws regarding protected speices are set up. Without laws, like the one you question, there would be no Deer left to hunt.
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Post by squirrelhunter on Jun 18, 2006 10:47:10 GMT -5
I don't see how a 5-6 ft. fence is going to keep anybody out  . |
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Post by Hawkeye on Jun 18, 2006 12:24:08 GMT -5
Since we are on the subject, what exactly is considered a high fence area, 5 feet?, 6 feet? . six feet 1inch? or maybe 6 feet 8 inches, is there actually a legal measurement ?any body know?. I have seen hardwood tree farms with a 7 foot fence that has deer on the property ,is this legal?. also have seen large industral plants acreage with deer on the property,Legal?
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Post by drs on Jun 18, 2006 13:09:45 GMT -5
I don't see how a 5-6 ft. fence is going to keep anybody out . It won't. A 5 or 6 foot fence is easy to climb or craw under. |
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Post by duff on Jun 18, 2006 13:57:00 GMT -5
I don't see how a 5-6 ft. fence is going to keep anybody out . It won't. A 5 or 6 foot fence is easy to climb or craw under. I would guess a 20 ft fence would be just as easy to crawl under as well ;D There are no laws on fences that I am aware of, look at a cow pasture. But if you do it to enclose wildlife there are rules you have to follow. Some of the big fancy neighborhoods around Geist Res. have very tall fences but every so often there is a 20 ft section that is only 4 or 5 feet tall, to allow the deer to move in or out at will. It would cost a whole lot to just keep people out to install a fence like that around 150 acres. I'd guess you could add all your stolen stands, game cams, and feeders and still be well under the cost. You say you buy a tag that allows you to own a deer isn't really the case. It is a tax that allows you to hunt, just like the license fee that allows you to drive a car on public roads or fish on public waters. |
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Post by indianahick on Jun 18, 2006 17:25:29 GMT -5
Personally I think that a 5 foot 4x2 weld would be hard to climb and properly posted those that climb it should be considered game, err criminals and open for prosecution.
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Post by lugnutz on Jun 18, 2006 22:22:49 GMT -5
I don't see how a 5-6 ft. fence is going to keep anybody out . It won't. A 5 or 6 foot fence is easy to climb or craw under. I'd like to see anyone climb a 5-6ft chain link fence with, hunting boots, climber or grindblind, and carry a gun or bow with them. I'm not sure about your hunting clothes, but mine are rather expensive for my budget, i wouldn't take the chance or a shovel with me to dig out from under a fence, besides i'd like to you drag a whitetail under a fence or toss it over the fence. Lug |
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Post by lugnutz on Jun 18, 2006 22:32:25 GMT -5
That is the way the laws regarding protected speices are set up. Without laws, like the one you question, there would be no Deer left to hunt. Why wouldn't their be? The State sets the hunting times in which you take your deer each year, and when you purchase a tag from the state they are giving you the opprotunity to take your choice of deer in which your tag is intended for. My arguement isn't about changing anything, but rather for those that feel as if they "own" the wildlife. Only thing you own is the right to kill a deer during the season. Thanks, Lug |
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Post by Decatur on Jun 19, 2006 5:20:20 GMT -5
You could just throw your gear over it. As far as dragging a buck out, you could use bolt cutters then, you're done hunting anyway.
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Post by kevin1 on Jun 19, 2006 6:08:37 GMT -5
Why not ask Russ Bellar ?
I hear that he's an authority on the subject ... ;D
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Post by jackc99 on Jun 19, 2006 6:21:38 GMT -5
Lug - many years ago a gentleman named Brad Thurston purchased a piece of ground that used to be an old theme park in north central Indiana. He built an 8' enclosure on the property and did NOT flush out the deer. Later he added to the population as he felt it needed and this became one of the first high fence hunting facilities in Indiana. Make no mistake those deer he fenced in did not belong to him but he got away with it because he is a millionaire plastic surgeon from Indianapolis. The current IDNR will not let that happen again.
Jack
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Post by drs on Jun 19, 2006 6:37:44 GMT -5
Normally, properties that have chain-link fences usually have gates to enter & exit. I've yet have seen the average farm, here in SW Indiana have such a set-up on 150 acres. Most have regular fencing or barbed wire fencing.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jun 19, 2006 7:07:07 GMT -5
I think a 6'-8' fence would detour most folks since a new fence would indicate private property rights activity on your part. It is the low percentage tresspassing / poaching scumbags you have to worry about. 6'-8' is not enough to stop mature deer that want in or out. Mending fences will be a weekly activity.
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Post by squirrelhunter on Jun 19, 2006 9:17:29 GMT -5
Why not ask Russ Bellar ? I hear that he's an authority on the subject ... ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by lugnutz on Jun 19, 2006 21:07:33 GMT -5
You nor the government can hunt on my property, but yet the deer are still owned by the government/people? Someone might wanna point out to the insurance companies that they are paying for collisions, in which the State owned deer caused.
I see no reason to flush out the property, when the deer can easily jump the fence.
Yes, in this case their would be a gate on the roadside of the property. In most cases trespassers arent gonna park at the gate to enter, if they can cut through the chain holding the gate they are welcome to enter. Most if not all trespassers aren't gonna go through with the trouble of cutting anything, escpecially at the gate, where the owner would enter.
I also wouldn't need to moniter the fence daily or weekly unless i feel someone is getting into the property, for the fence is only high enough to deter' the common thief.
I've yet to hear anyone explain to me how you can purchase a deer, if you aren't allowed to contain an alive one?
Lug
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