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Post by greghopper on May 17, 2024 9:30:51 GMT -5
So how many Birds are Bocats killing now? You do realize last year was a record Harvest and this year is the second-highest harvest ever…. What is your point? Do you think bobcats should be protected? There not having the impact on wildlife that some want other to believe! Yes they need controlled in areas that there out of control. Whats your point in wanting an unlimited state wide season? BTW… They are already protected! |
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Post by jtkelly on May 17, 2024 10:52:18 GMT -5
I'd like to see the sun up to noon or 1'oclock. At the same time, limit the mushroom wanderers to 1 to sundown during turkey season.
One male bird. Make all these feeders and bait all illegal, all year long. Eliminate all the gimmick stunt weapons. IF you want to hunt then hunt. If you want to make stunt videos, go to the range and maim paper pictures.
I'm good with the fall season, either sex, one bird. Coyotes, weather and bob cats are going to kill half the flock any way.
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Post by mattfinney on May 17, 2024 11:15:30 GMT -5
What is your point? Do you think bobcats should be protected? There not having the impact on wildlife that some want other to believe! Yes they need controlled in areas that there out of control. Whats your point in wanting an unlimited state wide season? BTW… They are already protected! "Another study in 2023 reported that turkey populations in the eastern half of the U.S. were declining by about 9% yearly, based on data from the past 50 years. We are wildlife ecologists working to determine why turkey populations are shrinking in portions of their range." theconversation.com/wild-turkey-numbers-are-falling-in-some-parts-of-the-us-the-main-reason-may-be-habitat-loss-220510#:~:text=Another%20study%20in%202023%20reported,in%20portions%20of%20their%20range Greg, what has happened to the bobcat population over that same time frame? I'm not saying that bobcats are the cause of turkey population decrease, but I'm also no saying they aren't the cause. My argument is that even with an unlimited season for bobcats, harvest will be very low due to the reclusive nature of bobcats, and the general lack of hunters and trappers interested in pursuing them. Greg, why do you oppose having an unlimited season for bobcats? |
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Post by Woody Williams on May 17, 2024 12:08:04 GMT -5
I think one could see a pretty good correlation of decline in turkeys and fur prices.
IMO - Egg eaters are much bigger problem than bobcats and coyotes. I’d even say poult eating birds of prey do a fair contribution to the decline. Indiana’s turkey population seems pretty stable or growing.
Personally I saw and heard more turkeys this year than in the past ten years or so. I think this is another one of those “the herd is down” tales.
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Post by greghopper on May 17, 2024 12:35:34 GMT -5
There not having the impact on wildlife that some want other to believe! Yes they need controlled in areas that there out of control. Whats your point in wanting an unlimited state wide season? BTW… They are already protected! "Another study in 2023 reported that turkey populations in the eastern half of the U.S. were declining by about 9% yearly, based on data from the past 50 years. We are wildlife ecologists working to determine why turkey populations are shrinking in portions of their range." theconversation.com/wild-turkey-numbers-are-falling-in-some-parts-of-the-us-the-main-reason-may-be-habitat-loss-220510#:~:text=Another%20study%20in%202023%20reported,in%20portions%20of%20their%20range Greg, what has happened to the bobcat population over that same time frame? I'm not saying that bobcats are the cause of turkey population decrease, but I'm also no saying they aren't the cause. My argument is that even with an unlimited season for bobcats, harvest will be very low due to the reclusive nature of bobcats, and the general lack of hunters and trappers interested in pursuing them. Greg, why do you oppose having an unlimited season for bobcats? INDIANA is not an Eastern state we are a Midwestern state the smallest land mass west of the Appalachian mountains with TWO record seasons in a row Indiana doesn't need a state-wide unlimited Bobcat season the data doesn't back that big of a season.Your in for surprise if you think people aren't waiting to kill a Bobcat… Remember DNR is required by law to provide wildlife for Hunters and non-hunters. |
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Post by mattfinney on May 17, 2024 12:48:44 GMT -5
Greg, Eastern half of US refers to everything east of the Mississippi river, and the part about smallest land mass west of the App Mts is completely irrelevant. Turkeys and bobcats don't know what state they live in anyways.
I still support an unlimited season on them. As stated, the loss of the fur market has pretty much guaranteed an under-harvest of any fur bearers. No reason not to have a season on them at this point.
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Post by greghopper on May 17, 2024 12:53:00 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on May 17, 2024 14:15:55 GMT -5
Do you really believe that most hunters are fur hunting when they would shoot a bobcat?
Nope.. a target of opportunity when deer hunting. Most likely it would be a bragging picture posted on Facebook. Maybe tan the hide and put it on the wall in the man Cave .
I get maybe one a year on camera.. contrary to beliefs they are few and far between in most places.
When a season is declared it will be very limited. The DNR will tiptoe into it, much like the river otters. One per hunter/trapper in very select counties and when X amount is killed state wide it will be closed.
As it should be..
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Post by Woody Williams on May 17, 2024 14:22:12 GMT -5
Greg, Eastern half of US refers to everything east of the Mississippi river, and the part about smallest land mass west of the App Mts is completely irrelevant. “Half”?? So any state from The Mississippi over is in the Western “Half”? Where does that leave us in the “Midwest”? I don’t think anyone believes that Indiana is an Eastern state. |
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Post by Woody Williams on May 17, 2024 14:25:52 GMT -5
The “Midwest” as defined by the census Bureau..  |
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Post by jtkelly on May 17, 2024 15:15:15 GMT -5
I think one could see a pretty good correlation of decline in turkeys and fur prices. IMO - Egg eaters are much bigger problem than bobcats and coyotes. I’d even say poult eating birds of prey do a fair contribution to the decline. Indiana’s turkey population seems pretty stable or growing. Personally I saw and heard more turkeys this year than in the past ten years or so. I think this is another one of those “the herd is down” tales. "Pets" running loose all day and night aren't doing any thing good for turkeys. |
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Post by jtkelly on May 17, 2024 15:18:07 GMT -5
Do you really believe that most hunters are fur hunting when they would shoot a bobcat? Nope.. a target of opportunity when deer hunting. Most likely it would be a bragging picture posted on Facebook. Maybe tan the hide and put it on the wall in the man Cave . I get maybe one a year on camera.. contrary to beliefs they are few and far between in most places. When a season is declared it will be very limited. The DNR will tiptoe into it, much like the river otters. One per hunter/trapper in very select counties and when X amount is killed state wide it will be closed. As it should be.. I get pictures of bobcats at least once a month in my DRIVEWAY, along with coyotes, beagles, mutts, goats, horses, lots of cats. |
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Post by mattfinney on May 17, 2024 15:42:21 GMT -5
Do you really believe that most hunters are fur hunting when they would shoot a bobcat? Nope.. a target of opportunity when deer hunting. Most likely it would be a bragging picture posted on Facebook. Maybe tan the hide and put it on the wall in the man Cave . I get maybe one a year on camera.. contrary to beliefs they are few and far between in most places. When a season is declared it will be very limited. The DNR will tiptoe into it, much like the river otters. One per hunter/trapper in very select counties and when X amount is killed state wide it will be closed. As it should be.. Nope, it should be unlimited. Good try though. |
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Post by mattfinney on May 17, 2024 15:46:57 GMT -5
Greg, Eastern half of US refers to everything east of the Mississippi river, and the part about smallest land mass west of the App Mts is completely irrelevant. “Half”?? So any state from The Mississippi over is in the Western “Half”? Where does that leave us in the “Midwest”? I don’t think anyone believes that Indiana is an Eastern state. You are wrong my friend. "The East North Central area, which includes Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin, can also be classified as a subregion of the Northeastern United States, as these states are in the Great Lakes-Riverine area. As one of two subregional divisions used to categorize the modern Midwest, the East North Central region closely matches the area of the Northwest Territory, excluding a portion of Minnesota. The East North Central states form a large part of the Great Lakes region,[7] although the latter also includes Minnesota, New York, Pennsylvania and the Canadian province of Ontario." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_United_States |
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Post by mattfinney on May 17, 2024 15:54:11 GMT -5
greghopper, why are you opposed to having an unlimited bobcat season?
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Post by Woody Williams on May 17, 2024 16:40:08 GMT -5
“Half”?? So any state from The Mississippi over is in the Western “Half”? Where does that leave us in the “Midwest”? I don’t think anyone believes that Indiana is an Eastern state. You are wrong my friend. "The East North Central area, which includes Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin, can also be classified as a subregion of the Northeastern United States, as these states are in the Great Lakes-Riverine area. As one of two subregional divisions used to categorize the modern Midwest, the East North Central region closely matches the area of the Northwest Territory, excluding a portion of Minnesota. The East North Central states form a large part of the Great Lakes region,[7] although the latter also includes Minnesota, New York, Pennsylvania and the Canadian province of Ontario." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_United_StatesWikipedia?  . |
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Post by Woody Williams on May 17, 2024 16:43:37 GMT -5
Do you really believe that most hunters are fur hunting when they would shoot a bobcat? Nope.. a target of opportunity when deer hunting. Most likely it would be a bragging picture posted on Facebook. Maybe tan the hide and put it on the wall in the man Cave . I get maybe one a year on camera.. contrary to beliefs they are few and far between in most places. When a season is declared it will be very limited. The DNR will tiptoe into it, much like the river otters. One per hunter/trapper in very select counties and when X amount is killed state wide it will be closed. As it should be.. Nope, it should be unlimited. Good try though. No “good try” to it. I can guarantee you that it will be as I said and nowhere close to your “unlimited.” I doubt very seriously if you or anyone else on here will live long enough to see your “unlimited season”. |
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Post by whitetaildave24 on May 17, 2024 18:09:42 GMT -5
Finney, keep dreaming and fighting your losing battles. At least you stick to it and give it all you got. Your definition from Wikipedia also says what you are saying is a subregion of the Midwest, therefore we are the Midwest.
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Post by span870 on May 17, 2024 19:44:37 GMT -5
greghopper, why are you opposed to having an unlimited bobcat season? Let me answer here. Read the studies. Especially states like Georgia, Alabama, Texas and Florida that have a population that puts ours to shame. Read the studies of what bobcats actually eat. Georgia could not even put quail population decline on bobcats as hard as they tried. This isn't my buddies cousin neighbors best friend nephew that raises rabbits said....what are you going to complain about when they do open a season, and they will, and nothing changes? And it won't. Everyone wants an easy out. Bobcats ain't it. I can't wait 5 years from now when we have a season to see where the blame lays but I'll tell you now. It ain't bobcats. I'll ask you this. Show me one legit study from a legit source that shows bobcat predation showing a decline in animal numbers besides rodents. Just one. And I'm talking legit. I'll show you University of Georgia, THE ALABAMA STATE university (roll tide), Ol Miss.....I'll wait. How about every study that says any time coyote and cat population cross over it'll push cats out and cats show a prey source of rodents by a large margin. Do we think indiana doesn't have an insane population of K9 predators? Show me data. |
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on May 17, 2024 20:48:37 GMT -5
Bobcats eat turkeys. Sure, nest predators are probably worse, but we have the ability to manage those.
Regardless, since when do we feel like we need to prove that bobcats are having some kind of negative impact in order to hunt them? If the population is recovered, as the biologists say, the there should be some kind of season. They are a game animal, and I don’t care if they do look cuddly. I also wouldn’t care if they ate nothing but plants and grasshoppers.
Wildlife populations are managed through funding from hunting and shooting sports. In turn, seasons are held to provide incentive to sportsmen to continue funding that management. It is called the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation, and it is why we have the robust wildlife populations we do here, as opposed to most of the rest of the world.
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