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Post by joebuck on Mar 30, 2024 12:52:48 GMT -5
Can anyone on here recommend a good book or maybe a video series for training a dog to hunt? Got a little guy, still young, very smart, trained in "standard" commands(sit, stay, fetch, etc), high prey drive, but as far as hunt training i wouldnt know where to start. Thanks!
Joe buckmaster
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Post by esshup on Mar 30, 2024 15:14:31 GMT -5
Do you want to train to be a flushing dog, a pointer, a non-slip retriever, a rabbit dog or a coon dog?
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Post by joebuck on Mar 31, 2024 6:45:10 GMT -5
Good question. So far, i've just done small game, so i'm not 100% sure what, if any, use a dog would be or what his job would be. Think i need to do more research.
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Post by budd on Mar 31, 2024 9:43:12 GMT -5
Can anyone on here recommend a good book or maybe a video series for training a dog to hunt? Got a little guy, still young, very smart, trained in "standard" commands(sit, stay, fetch, etc), high prey drive, but as far as hunt training i wouldnt know where to start. Thanks! Joe buckmaster Good place to start is with what breed is it? If Im going to coon hunt Ill use a coonhound, rabbits a beagle, ducks a retriever. I turn down a couple clients every year that want me to make a retriever out of basically a nothing. |
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Post by joebuck on Apr 1, 2024 5:59:12 GMT -5
Lol alright...breed? He's a pom! Actually he's a "throwback",more like a spitz than a standard pom; he's bigger (16 lb). If anything, he MIGHT be alright as a flushing dog. Like i said, i gotta do some more research.
Joe buckmaster
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Post by esshup on Apr 1, 2024 8:14:35 GMT -5
Lol alright...breed? He's a pom! Actually he's a "throwback",more like a spitz than a standard pom; he's bigger (16 lb). If anything, he MIGHT be alright as a flushing dog. Like i said, i gotta do some more research. Joe buckmaster ROFL, that's too funny. While they were bred for hunting hundreds of years ago, they were mostly used for herding and guarding. Genetics play a HUGE role in hunting dogs, you're better off getting a different dog to use for hunting and keep that one around as a lap dog. The first time you have that dog out in the field and it runs through a patch of cockle burrs, sand burrs or beggar ticks you will think differently about using it as a hunting dog. It's double coat is made for cold weather climates, running it around here when it's warmer could cause overheating problems for the dog too. Training a hunting dog takes about 2 years of weekly, even daily training. |
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Post by joebuck on Apr 1, 2024 9:10:28 GMT -5
Yeah, got a point there...i sure wouldnt enjoy brushing him out after he runs through a sticker bush! Ah well...😆😆😆
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Post by esshup on Apr 1, 2024 13:19:21 GMT -5
Yeah, got a point there...i sure wouldnt enjoy brushing him out after he runs through a sticker bush! Ah well...😆😆😆 For the time and $$ involved in training a dog, I believe it's pointless to throw that away on a dog that will take a LOT more work to get to a low level of training that a dog that is bred to do a certain thing can attain. I'd venture to say it'd take 50% or more of both of those things to get a non-hunting bred dog to the level that a hunting bred dog would be at. I've seen it in getting Springers to do the windshield wiper pattern to cover a field. One dog needed 3 people to do that over a period of months of training. Most can learn that with 3 people and a few weeks of training, or just the handler and the dog if the genetics are there. I'm sure Budd has seen that in teaching a dog to retrieve. There's also the part about a certain breed wanting to learn and please it's trainer, that's called biddability. |
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Post by budd on Apr 1, 2024 13:51:57 GMT -5
Yeah, got a point there...i sure wouldnt enjoy brushing him out after he runs through a sticker bush! Ah well...😆😆😆 For the time and $$ involved in training a dog, I believe it's pointless to throw that away on a dog that will take a LOT more work to get to a low level of training that a dog that is bred to do a certain thing can attain. I'd venture to say it'd take 50% or more of both of those things to get a non-hunting bred dog to the level that a hunting bred dog would be at. I've seen it in getting Springers to do the windshield wiper pattern to cover a field. One dog needed 3 people to do that over a period of months of training. Most can learn that with 3 people and a few weeks of training, or just the handler and the dog if the genetics are there. I'm sure Budd has seen that in teaching a dog to retrieve. There's also the part about a certain breed wanting to learn and please it's trainer, that's called biddability. And even then it's no guarantee...just because it's a pointer dont mean that it's going to point, or because it's a retriever dont mean it's going to retrieve....but you do up your odds by getting a dog thats bred for what you want to do. |
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Post by jtkelly on Apr 1, 2024 14:04:03 GMT -5
A GOOD dog trains you, you don't train him. Most people decide what they want to hunt first and then buy the dog to match.
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Post by esshup on Apr 1, 2024 23:09:25 GMT -5
A GOOD dog trains you, you don't train him. Most people decide what they want to hunt first and then buy the dog to match. I disagree, to a point. The good dog trains you to learn it's mannerisms and learn what it's telling you, but you still have to train it to do what you want it to do. I've never seen a field trial dog or a good hunting dog do what it does without training. |
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Post by hatchetjack on Apr 2, 2024 17:42:16 GMT -5
Don't do it without a lot more research. Offhand I'd say he's not gonna make it as a coon dog or fox hound. Had a friend who ran a setter and cocker together. Both were well trained in their jobs. The setter found and pointed birds (quail, pheasants, grouse, woodcock even sharptails. The cocker was then sent in to flush the birds.
On another note I did see a beagle 40 years ago that ran coons, ran rabbits, pointed quail and woodcock. He did all this within a 12 hour period. It could be done but it's gonna take a very special dog,
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Post by buckbuster13 on Apr 2, 2024 18:53:55 GMT -5
A GOOD dog trains you, you don't train him. Most people decide what they want to hunt first and then buy the dog to match. I disagree, to a point. The good dog trains you to learn it's mannerisms and learn what it's telling you, but you still have to train it to do what you want it to do. I've never seen a field trial dog or a good hunting dog do what it does without training. The hunting prey drive should come naturally if you have a good dog. The rest of the training shouldn’t really be any different than what every day people normally teach their dogs. |
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Post by esshup on Apr 2, 2024 23:33:19 GMT -5
I knew a guy that guided at a pheasant preserve in So. Cal. He used a Queensland Heeler for a flusher and retriever. BUT, he was working that dog 6-7 days a week.
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Post by hornzilla on Apr 4, 2024 20:05:04 GMT -5
The two GSP that I have now are natural hunters and pointers. All I am doing is teaching them to hunt with in the range that I want. Controlling some of there drive.
This has always been what I have done. Dad and I done the same when we had GSP before.
Some might not agree with me. But I truly believe there borned with it. As a "trainer" you polish there nature abilities. If they don't have that nature abilities you will never train it into the.
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