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Post by genesis273 on Dec 9, 2023 22:13:12 GMT -5
Last night, my mother in law and I got into a debate. It started over what I thought was a simple statement that turned into a question that had captured my attention the remainder of the evening and and the first thing on my mind this morning. And, to be quite honest, if you really dig into the question and explore all the avenues and possibilities, I think it's a question that can be difficult to answer. Obviously, her and I disagree on this, and I won't state yet which side I'm leaning on. But, the question is, does God hope?
Our debate yielded great points, battling scripture with scripture and our own personal reflections.
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 9, 2023 23:20:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure of the question. But we have been on our own since the institution of the New Testament. We have prayer
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Post by genesis273 on Dec 9, 2023 23:34:48 GMT -5
To add a little more context, and to reveal my side of the debate, she was stating that from the very beginning of time, God knew he would have to sacrifice Jesus. My view on her opinion was that she was stating that God created a world to fail. My argument was that I have have always felt that God had hope in Adam and Eve to do the right thing, make the right choices. I still feel the God has hope that we'll all choose Him. I think that's why we have the freedom of choice and why He doesn't force us to worship Him. I feel that He hopes that we will. I don't feel that God created a failed system, intentionally. I think the man's wicked ways have lead us to the failure and that it was not by His design.
The debate went on for a while. It wasn't heated or anything. But, it raised questions within us both.
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Post by genesis273 on Dec 9, 2023 23:55:43 GMT -5
And yes, we do have prayer. But, after Jesus was crucified , in John 14:16&18 Jesus does tell them all that He will pray to the Father to send them a Comforter and that He would not leave them (us) comfortless.
Another reason I believe that man's sin filled hearts and the destruction of mankind in the days of Noah were not part of an original plan was because in Genesis 6:6 God felt repentance for making mankind. Had all this been part of an original plan, why the need for repentance?
I know that I know very little in the grand scheme of things pertaining religion and God's plans and purposes for us and the world. Or why He did what He did and still does what He does. And although I believe that God does in fact know all things and that He does have a plan for each and every one of our lives, He still allows us the freedom to choose. Therefore, I really do believe that God hopes that we'll choose Him.
I know He doesn't need us but, I truly believe that He does want us.
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Post by whitetail1 on Dec 10, 2023 10:01:22 GMT -5
To add a little more context, and to reveal my side of the debate, she was stating that from the very beginning of time, God knew he would have to sacrifice Jesus. My view on her opinion was that she was stating that God created a world to fail. My argument was that I have have always felt that God had hope in Adam and Eve to do the right thing, make the right choices. I still feel the God has hope that we'll all choose Him. I think that's why we have the freedom of choice and why He doesn't force us to worship Him. I feel that He hopes that we will. I don't feel that God created a failed system, intentionally. I think the man's wicked ways have lead us to the failure and that it was not by His design. The debate went on for a while. It wasn't heated or anything. But, it raised questions within us both. I agree with you wholeheartedly on this. He gave us freedom of choice, and does hope that we'll choose Him |
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