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Post by greghopper on Dec 5, 2023 6:45:24 GMT -5
I pay a total 840 buck total for two different leases. One lease contains about 700 acres and the other has 120. There is I think 8 guys on the 700 acres, but about half don't hunt they are on it for the fishing. The 120 there are three of us. I also hunt some public ground that is very close to where I live. I hate having to pay to hunt, but if I want to hunt ground that I have hunted all my life I have to pay. For years it cost nothing. I do hate that, we used to have permission spots to rabbit hunt when I was growing up. A megafarm bought it all up and will not allow us to rabbit hunt unless we join their "hunt club" and Lord knows how much that costs. I'll pass, but I know well what you mean by trying to stay on the ground you started with. That’s exactly what happens when a Landowner’s contracts a leasing company looking for extra money….
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Post by greghopper on Dec 5, 2023 6:46:11 GMT -5
After seeing this thread, I checked out some available leases in adjoining counties online. MANY said "not much cover, but should yield deer during certain times of the year." This tells me that it's poor land that someone wants to make money off of. Deer aren't staying there, but you just might, might see a deer that bumbles through during the rut. Lol! One person trash is another man’s treasure….
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Post by mattfinney on Dec 5, 2023 8:40:13 GMT -5
Thank you all who participated, I'm sure many members find this information interesting and useful.
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Post by steiny on Dec 5, 2023 8:40:49 GMT -5
steiny I understand what you’re saying about out of pocket expenses , but unless a guy does something really dumb he will make money by owning land, not cost him. When my dad was young, most recreational type land was going for under $500/acre. Now, same area, it’s $5k or more. I’m in my 30’s, and just since I’ve been paying attention I’ve seen land prices more than double in my area. Buying recreation ground is a huge financial investment and often involves a large cash down payment and 15-30 year mortgage. If you're lucky you can get some farm income to cover your taxes and annual expenses, but it won't cover the mortgage payments if borrowing. The land value going up means nothing unless you sell it, then you don't have any recreation ground. Many landowners hang onto their ground and pass it on to the next generation of family. All the price jump gets you is more net worth. Not to discourage purchasing ground, but leasing is a whole lot more practical for the average person, and it's typically a pretty short term deal you can easily walk away from.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 5, 2023 8:51:50 GMT -5
Thank you all who participated, I'm sure many members find this information interesting and useful. You have any examples of what is useful in this information or how someone benefits from this information ?
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Post by wsky70 on Dec 5, 2023 9:45:10 GMT -5
Only pay the state, we hunt our own land. Prices have definitely doubled or you can't compete with the business side. A neighbor guy passed away next to us a couple years ago. I wanted to buy that little piece (35ac) all woods, but the kids sold it to a logging company for over double what it was worth, and once they get it, they don't let it go. wish they would though, they have already logged it. That company almost owns the entire Holler now. So any land that gets passed down, will more than likely be sold to a logging company, us everyday folks can't compete with...SF Woody
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Post by mattfinney on Dec 8, 2023 15:35:21 GMT -5
Thank you all who participated, I'm sure many members find this information interesting and useful. You have any examples of what is useful in this information or how someone benefits from this information ? Yes, gives others an idea of what to expect when looking for a lease, and helps with a starting point for negotiations. Glad to help, let me know if you have any more questions.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 8, 2023 18:07:13 GMT -5
You have any examples of what is useful in this information or how someone benefits from this information ? Yes, gives others an idea of what to expect when looking for a lease, and helps with a starting point for negotiations. Glad to help, let me know if you have any more questions. Ok… the prices I see posted aren’t what we are seeing in todays world…. Way to low unless you leasing thousands of acres! IMO
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Post by huntnandplumbn on Dec 9, 2023 8:21:15 GMT -5
Yes, gives others an idea of what to expect when looking for a lease, and helps with a starting point for negotiations. Glad to help, let me know if you have any more questions. Ok… the prices I see posted aren’t what we are seeing in today’s world…. Way to low unless you leasing thousands of acres! IMO I think the largest difference is the how you are leasing thing which screws this whole thing up. Are you leasing person to person or utilizing a lease company. The lease companies are all fairly close with each other and IMO way more than typical person to person agreements. Simple research would get mattfinney his answer or whomever else is in this situation for what to expect from a leasing company. Person to person deals are so all over the board there would be no way for someone to reasonably understand what they may or may not pay. That’s why they call it negotiating. A friend of mine leases 30 acres from a leasing company and pays more than my person to person lease of right at 700 acres. Apples and oranges
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Post by greghopper on Dec 9, 2023 8:50:05 GMT -5
Ok… the prices I see posted aren’t what we are seeing in today’s world…. Way to low unless you leasing thousands of acres! IMO I think the largest difference is the how you are leasing thing which screws this whole thing up. Are you leasing person to person or utilizing a lease company. The lease companies are all fairly close with each other and IMO way more than typical person to person agreements. Simple research would get mattfinney his answer or whomever else is in this situation for what to expect from a leasing company. Person to person deals are so all over the board there would be no way for someone to reasonably understand what they may or may not pay. That’s why they call it negotiating. A friend of mine leases 30 acres from a leasing company and pays more than my person to person lease of right at 700 acres. Applies and oranges Location is everything when leasing also....
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Post by mattfinney on Dec 9, 2023 15:26:39 GMT -5
Yes, gives others an idea of what to expect when looking for a lease, and helps with a starting point for negotiations. Glad to help, let me know if you have any more questions. Ok… the prices I see posted aren’t what we are seeing in todays world…. Way to low unless you leasing thousands of acres! IMO Are you saying that the members here are lying about how much they are paying?
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Post by mattfinney on Dec 9, 2023 15:28:16 GMT -5
Ok… the prices I see posted aren’t what we are seeing in today’s world…. Way to low unless you leasing thousands of acres! IMO I think the largest difference is the how you are leasing thing which screws this whole thing up. Are you leasing person to person or utilizing a lease company. The lease companies are all fairly close with each other and IMO way more than typical person to person agreements. Simple research would get mattfinney his answer or whomever else is in this situation for what to expect from a leasing company. Person to person deals are so all over the board there would be no way for someone to reasonably understand what they may or may not pay. That’s why they call it negotiating. A friend of mine leases 30 acres from a leasing company and pays more than my person to person lease of right at 700 acres. Apples and oranges What are the dollar amounts of those leases?
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Post by huntnandplumbn on Dec 9, 2023 15:38:38 GMT -5
I think the largest difference is the how you are leasing thing which screws this whole thing up. Are you leasing person to person or utilizing a lease company. The lease companies are all fairly close with each other and IMO way more than typical person to person agreements. Simple research would get mattfinney his answer or whomever else is in this situation for what to expect from a leasing company. Person to person deals are so all over the board there would be no way for someone to reasonably understand what they may or may not pay. That’s why they call it negotiating. A friend of mine leases 30 acres from a leasing company and pays more than my person to person lease of right at 700 acres. Apples and oranges What are the dollar amounts of those leases? he pays $1,500 mine is 1,250
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Post by greghopper on Dec 9, 2023 15:44:46 GMT -5
Ok… the prices I see posted aren’t what we are seeing in todays world…. Way to low unless you leasing thousands of acres! IMO Are you saying that the members here are lying about how much they are paying? What a stupid question… No I saying they are discounted prices or long term leases
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Post by huntnandplumbn on Dec 9, 2023 15:44:50 GMT -5
What are the dollar amounts of those leases? he pays $1,500 mine is 1,250 also mine has been the same for nearly 10 years. He has a very good chance of his going up yearly as that’s another part of the leasing company game. Not saying it’s good or bad but it’s also the reality of it.
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Post by beermaker on Dec 9, 2023 15:58:50 GMT -5
The last time I leased it was $2,500 for 140 acres. I was very happy with it and was going to renew with some folks I recruited from this forum. The crooked donkey's rear that I leased from gave it to someone else for more money the day I was sending him my payment.
I'll go ahead and say it...Merk Farms is a shady outfit and I'd be very leary of doing business with him.
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Post by mattfinney on Dec 15, 2023 17:23:25 GMT -5
Are you saying that the members here are lying about how much they are paying? What a stupid question… No I saying they are discounted prices or long term leases The whole reason I started this thread is because there is a ton of variation in how much people are paying for hunting leases. It's not as simple as just going to basecamp.com. I wanted real world info/data. Your comments are completely worthless/pointless.
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Post by bullseye69 on Dec 15, 2023 18:47:23 GMT -5
Why, you starting a leasing company?
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Post by SFC (R) B on Dec 16, 2023 0:13:36 GMT -5
I saw the title of this and was intrigued. I am currently lucky enough to have access to about 150ac to hunt due to my buddy managing the farm for family friends and him having access to even better land. Prior to that I had access to a similar sized parcel near Warsaw that got leased for north of $3000 just for deer season. I will be the first to say that leasing is not something I have ever been interested in per se. Meat is a major part of the experience for me and the cost per pound and per hour just are not something I could imagine swallowing, especially given what my OOS bundle now costs. I will say that I can't understand the outlay vs what is used/acquired (especially when you consider leased land will still take either effort or additional cash outlay for habitat and maintenance). Some of you know that for the last couple of years I have been trying to find a way to buy some land (40 ac or more). This is for recreation(hunting, cutting wood, possible fish or waterfowl) but also for something neither side of my family has ever had.....a "home place" with some sort of fairly humble cabin. The prices in IN have made that somewhat of a pipe dream unless somebody takes pity on a half broken Vet and offers a good deal. So now I am off, looking in other Midwestern states....and have found them to be approachable. To the point where I may be able to move on something in the next year....HOPEFULLY
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Post by steiny on Dec 16, 2023 9:34:32 GMT -5
It's not as simple as just going to basecamp.com.& nbsp; I wanted real world info/data. Your comments are completely worthless/pointless. Actually it can be just a simple as going to Basecamp. I leased off them for a couple years with no complaints and we killed deer.
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