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Post by BigJLocke on Dec 3, 2023 12:15:00 GMT -5
I have a trail camera at a friend of mine’s house, and I haven’t seen a deer on camera in WEEKS. Last night, he sent me a video a little after dark, just pointing his cell phone into the patch of woods and the coyotes sounded like something out of a nightmare. I grew up near a condensed coyote population, but this sounded like A LOT of them. Have you ever seen an entire deer population “disappear” because the coyotes got too thick??
I’m currently pricing NV scopes and 22mag rifles because I’ll not be tolerating this long. The spot that camera in is surrounded by non huntable state land. One side is cut soybeans and the other side of the road is cut corn for about a mile. This seemed like a very promising spot at the beginning of the season. I had a couple of really big bucks, a bunch of does and every doe I saw had twin or triplet yearlings. Last deer I got on camera was the first week of November.
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Post by genesis273 on Dec 3, 2023 13:02:36 GMT -5
I firmly believe that coyotes can ruin a spot if not kept in check. My hunting neighbor said he called in several last night. He ended up with 4. I think he uses the ATN which is out of my price range. Especially since I'm only hunting coyotes a couple times a year. However, I am strongly considering getting a Wraith scope from Cabela's. Still a little expensive but, they have cheaper versions as well. Good luck on making a purchase and getting some song dogs eliminated. www.cabelas.com/shop/en/sightmark-wraith-4k-max-3-24x50-digital-rifle-scopePic my hunting neighbor sent from last night.  |
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 3, 2023 13:10:01 GMT -5
Like everything coyote's have a purpose. (Locally we have killed 8, this sesson.) End day you are not going to kill them all, as coyote's home ranges are huge. Keep local populations in check and their effects are minimal.
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Post by BigJLocke on Dec 3, 2023 13:16:01 GMT -5
I firmly believe that coyotes can ruin a spot if not kept in check. My hunting neighbor said he called in several last night. He ended up with 4. I think he uses the ATN which is out of my price range. Especially since I'm only hunting coyotes a couple times a year. However, I am strongly considering getting a Wraith scope from Cabela's. Still a little expensive but, they have cheaper versions as well. Good luck on making a purchase and getting some song dogs eliminated. www.cabelas.com/shop/en/sightmark-wraith-4k-max-3-24x50-digital-rifle-scopePic my hunting neighbor sent from last night. I’ll start saving my points and gift cards now and maybe by spring break I’ll have the scope 😂 |
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Post by onebentarrow on Dec 3, 2023 14:15:28 GMT -5
I have a trail camera at a friend of mine’s house, and I haven’t seen a deer on camera in WEEKS. Last night, he sent me a video a little after dark, just pointing his cell phone into the patch of woods and the coyotes sounded like something out of a nightmare. I grew up near a condensed coyote population, but this sounded like A LOT of them. Have you ever seen an entire deer population “disappear” because the coyotes got too thick?? I’m currently pricing NV scopes and 22mag rifles because I’ll not be tolerating this long. The spot that camera in is surrounded by non huntable state land. One side is cut soybeans and the other side of the road is cut corn for about a mile. This seemed like a very promising spot at the beginning of the season. I had a couple of really big bucks, a bunch of does and every doe I saw had twin or triplet yearlings. Last deer I got on camera was the first week of November. Same happened to me around 5 years ago but no yotes. I had been seeing deer in archery then about 2nd week of November nothing. No deer,no sign nothing. We got a snow in muzzeloder season so I walked the aera after 3 days on the ground and saw just 2 sets of tracks. I donot know where they went or why but the next year they were back for the whole season. Good luck on your quest Onebentarrow |
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Post by titanium700 on Dec 3, 2023 15:43:22 GMT -5
So this year my property has been dead.
As in only 1 deer sighting in the many times out and I killed her.
I’ve been under the suspicion that it is the coyotes in my area this year as I’ve killed 2 my son 1 and we still have 5 left.
I think it was a family of pups that were raised on my place.
So starting from the beginning we had 8 that I know of - 3 left 5 which to my knowledge are still alive.
This is on 62 acres.
So yeah.
I there reason for a lack of deer is the coyotes.
I hate coyotes.
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Post by esshup on Dec 3, 2023 16:02:22 GMT -5
A pack of coyotes will take down an adult deer. They kill a LOT of fawns. Just like how coons, possums and skunks affect turkey numbers, coyotes affect deer numbers. Up in northern Wi., if the wolf pack moves into the area, the deer bail out. Think about walking from N to S, then E to W on a 1,500 acre parcel after a new 2" snow and only cutting one set of deer tracks.
That's one of the reasons that I didn't go to Wi this year. 6 of us the last 2 years have only harvested 2 deer and we all had buck and doe tags.
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Post by titanium700 on Dec 3, 2023 18:22:01 GMT -5
Yeah. I know Wisconsin has issues.
I know people that go years without seeing a deer during hunting season up there.
That would not work for me.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 3, 2023 20:04:30 GMT -5
End day you are not going to kill them all, as coyote's home ranges are huge. I agree. And the thing about coyote biology is that when their population is down, litters become larger. The more you kill, the more are born. I bought a Pulsar Thermion XP50 thermal scope three years ago and put it on a custom .22-250, and I've yet to put a half hour usage on the scope. $5K for the scope alone and it just sits in the safe. |
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Post by Huntnfreak on Dec 3, 2023 20:08:52 GMT -5
Is hunter orange required to hunt coyotes during muzzy season? I can’t find the answer in the regs. Thanks!
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Post by BigJLocke on Dec 3, 2023 20:43:26 GMT -5
Is hunter orange required to hunt coyotes during muzzy season? I can’t find the answer in the regs. Thanks! I honestly didn’t know there was such a thing as any requirements to kill coyotes, but apparently there is a whole season for them! Apparently I’ll need to do some reading before I pursue this endeavor. |
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Post by xizang on Dec 3, 2023 20:47:43 GMT -5
I have been down this road with coyote issues as well. I did my research on equipment to hunt coyotes as effectively as possible. I first thought nightvision scope was the answer. I looked at a lot of scopes and then purchased a Sightmark. Scope is good, but there are issues with nightvision scopes. They are digital, which means the sight picture will be blurry until it is held still long enough to focus. Second, they are only good for open ground. When focused for a certain distance, if you sweep past a tree limb, weeds, etc the sight picture goes blurry until you are back to an open view. So if the coyote is behind corn stalk or tree limb, you can't see him very well. Third, you really need an IR intensifier as well to reach more than 100-150 yards effectively.
I killed quite a few coyotes with nightvision, but wanted better. Coyotes can't see red light, so I looked into them. I ended up buying a Sniper Hog set up, and it is legit. I have a red light mounted above my AR scope and another handheld light to spot coyotes or eye shine past 800 yards. My red light zooms into a narrow beam for long shots. I have a 6-24x50 scope and with the red light zoomed in I can see a coyote clear as a bell past 400 yards. IMO this is a much better set up for coyote hunting and it is also cheaper.
I had a large tract of ground to deer hunt, and started using the red light to eye shine field for deer before walking to stand. Saved me from bumping a lot of deer or making a change to another stand so I didn't blow the deer off the property. Deer can see red some, but using the light to eye shine doesn't spook them nearly as bad as a white spot light. Now, I don't use a white headlamp walking to the stand anymore, I use a small red light so light doesn't travel as far or isn't as intense. It can barely be seen 50 yards away by another person.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 3, 2023 20:52:37 GMT -5
Is hunter orange required to hunt coyotes during muzzy season? I can’t find the answer in the regs. Thanks! All I could find…. “Fluorescent orange must be worn when hunting deer (Deer Regulations), wild turkey (when fall turkey season overlaps a deer firearms season, Wild Turkey), rabbit, pheasant, quail, woodcock, and squirrel (Nov. 1-Jan. 31)”. |
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Post by Huntnfreak on Dec 3, 2023 20:55:14 GMT -5
Yeah I read that too..so I’m going to assume that predators would be included too.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 3, 2023 21:42:36 GMT -5
Is hunter orange required to hunt coyotes during muzzy season? I can’t find the answer in the regs. Thanks! I honestly didn’t know there was such a thing as any requirements to kill coyotes, but apparently there is a whole season for them! Apparently I’ll need to do some reading before I pursue this endeavor. Open season in private ground with the landowners permission. I don’t have a clue in the Hunter Orange? |
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 3, 2023 22:26:09 GMT -5
I honestly didn’t know there was such a thing as any requirements to kill coyotes, but apparently there is a whole season for them! Apparently I’ll need to do some reading before I pursue this endeavor. Open season in private ground with the landowners permission. I don’t have a clue in the Hunter Orange? Most coyote hunting is done at night. Hunter orange kinda mute point. I know alot of guys who do. Not seen any with orange on? |
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 4, 2023 6:43:41 GMT -5
I first thought nightvision scope was the answer. I looked at a lot of scopes and then purchased a Sightmark. Scope is good, but there are issues with nightvision scopes. They are digital, which means the sight picture will be blurry until it is held still long enough to focus. Second, they are only good for open ground. When focused for a certain distance, if you sweep past a tree limb, weeds, etc the sight picture goes blurry until you are back to an open view. One small correction. Optics like the Sightmark and ATN X-Sight are not true nightvision optics. They use CCD or CMOS technology, and do work at night. True military grade nightvision uses an image tube. That's not to say that digital nightvision won't surpass analog night vision in the next decade, but for now, you can't beat image tubes for clarity and light amplification. The "hardcore" coyote hunters that choose nightvision instead of thermal use helmet-mounted PVS-14's in conjunction with an IR laser. |
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Post by BigJLocke on Dec 4, 2023 6:46:54 GMT -5
The night vision we used in the Army were HUGE scopes and you had to use a tripod to be able to see anything because of you weren’t steady it was just a blob. I wish I had one of those. Then again, I wish I had the 240 it was usually mounted on lol
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Post by BigJLocke on Dec 4, 2023 13:11:27 GMT -5
 First deer I’ve gotten in camera since October, and there are 4 videos of him stomping and looking in two different directions. There were 10 videos after this but I couldn’t see anything in them. |
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Post by steiny on Dec 4, 2023 15:11:45 GMT -5
Learn how to snare them, it's a fun late winter sport.
Best year I got eleven.
You'll find that coyotes are about 10X smarter than any mature deer.
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