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Post by birddog on Nov 11, 2005 9:00:27 GMT -5
In Indiana you can buy deer license to hunt with bow,shotgun and a muzzleloader BUT you can only take one buck with three different license.To me this doesn't make sense at all especially if you're a "buck" hunter as I am.It used to be a deer hunter could kill a buck with each license so why has it changed now?  ? |
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 11, 2005 9:17:27 GMT -5
Excellent question....but no real good answer..
In archery you have an "either sex tag". If you don't fill your archery tag on a buck then you need to buy a firearm buck tag IF you want to hunt a buck. If you don't fill your fireram buck tag then you need to buy a muzzleloader buck tag IF you want to hunt a buck. .
Of course if you kill ONE buck by any means you don't buy any more buck tags for a loss of license revenues for teh state and loss of money for local businesses spent going hunting..
My "fiream deer" money is going to KY this next week or two. Not all Indiana hunters live that close to neighboring states.
Now why did this happen? Because a small vocal organized group got the IDNR to accept a One Buck Rule trial. They seem to be more interested in growing trophy bucks even at the expense of lost hunter opportunity.
It is a 5 year trial with this year being the 4th year.
Hopefully it will be dropped then..and we can get more hunters back out into the woods instead of sitting home watching football on the boob tube..
The resource has and can still handle a two buck limit by archery and firearm.
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Post by birddog on Nov 11, 2005 9:32:34 GMT -5
The resource has and can still handle a two buck limit by archery and firearm.
Oh there's no doubt in my mind it can handle more than one buck taken out of three different methods used to kill one.....Sometimes ( ha!! all the time ) I worry about the heads of our DNR!!!!!!
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Post by hoosier on Nov 11, 2005 12:11:56 GMT -5
Amen Woody. I sincerely hope the DNR drops the one-buck-rule as soon as the 5 year trial expires. My guess is they will keep it though. It seems to me that the rule takes away from the most ardent sportsmen among us, me included. The average weekend hunter rarely if ever took more than one buck before, but us diehards would at times. I think the OBR was/is a huge disservice to we who have given so much to our sport in the past. Hoosier.
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Post by indianadan on Nov 11, 2005 14:55:10 GMT -5
Excellent question....but no real good answer..In archery you have an "either sex tag". If you don't fill your archery tag on a buck then you need to buy a firearm buck tag IF you want to hunt a buck. That is if you want to hunt a buck with a gun. No need to buy another tag if you wish to keep hunting your buck with your bow.   With that said, I feel for the guys who hunt with different weapons! I agree that Indiana needs to go to a "buck tag" that can be used for any season, and any weapon. |
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Post by ctfarms on Nov 30, 2005 14:39:40 GMT -5
I wish Indiana would go to a "Buck tag" but I would NOT want to buy one!
I bet they would charge $72.00 or more
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Post by jcceadotcom on Dec 1, 2005 6:50:17 GMT -5
I've been pushing those in the DNR for a comprehensive deer license that would cover a buck and whatever the maximum number of does is for that year.
I would also like to see an "earn a buck" tag that would allow a hunter to take an extra buck from a deer reduction county AFTER taking X number of does from a deer reduction county.
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Post by cambygsp on Dec 1, 2005 6:50:45 GMT -5
WHY the OBR?
Because "bowhunters" were destroying the herd!
Yep!...Thats right!
Bowhunters!
The theory here is that folks were taking their bows and killing every dink deer in the woods, and then to make matters worse, they (those bowhunters) were buying a firearm tag and killing what ever dink deer that were left, after the early bow season.
THIS is the only logical explanation for this rule.
You can't hardly say that these bowhunters were holding out for a good buck during the bow season, and then killing dinks with their guns....thats NOT logical!
Firearm hunters were ALREADY restricted to ONE buck, even if they used a Shotgun and Muzzleloader....they were still restricted to one buck.
SO....It has to be the folks who hunted with bows and firearms (the vast majority of bowhunters) that were doing the damage!
Now that we are under a OBR, we have harvested MORE buck deer than EVER before in history....both in percentages and NUMBERS.....and this result has IMPROVED the herd!....lol lol lol
If you don't beleive that bowhunters were destroying the deer herd, then how in the world can you beleive that a OBR was needed?
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Post by cambygsp on Dec 1, 2005 7:04:36 GMT -5
Further......
I am a firm beleiver that the increase in buck harvest is a direct effect of $24.00 EACH antlerless tags.
Many will no longer shoot a "dog sized" deer and burn a $24.00 tag on it. This in effect helps protect button (fawn) bucks, and allows them to live till they sport antlers. I also think the down side to this is it attributes to an expanding deer herd, as we have seen since the last price increase.
However all is NOT bad with a OBR......
It will be a great door opener for additional oppotunity in the long run!
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Post by birddog on Dec 1, 2005 9:04:31 GMT -5
Many will no longer shoot a "dog sized" deer and burn a $24.00 tag on it.
Camby I have to disagree with the statement above that you made...I live in S.E. Indiana and believe me you have no idea as to how many"small" deer that are killed each year by bow hunters in this part of the state.I was at a processing place 2 times in the last couple weeks and believe me the number of small deer there was unreal to me and yet the number I see of small bucks and does in trucks heading back to Ohio is unreal.I don't think $24.00 has a thing to do with what a person kills except with license costing more a hunter wants to take something home for the money he has spent for the license.Personally I can go without taking a deer period and have a couple of years because the one I wanted to take either never made itself available to shoot or I didn't see anything worth shooting during that season.
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Post by cambygsp on Dec 1, 2005 9:11:53 GMT -5
Oh, I don't know.
I think I read somewhere that the fawn buck harvest was down about 10% over preveious years.
As for the non-resident taking "dog sized" deer....ya think!?
How much are Indiana non-resident tags?
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 1, 2005 9:18:33 GMT -5
I believe when it gets down to nitty gritty time a lot of hunters will want to fill that $24 tag (resident) with something.
The same applies to non-residents. Some come over/up/down for the gun opening weekend only and they WILL go home with something to show for their efforts/dollars.
One has to wonder how many antlerless dee are killed on a general firearms tag? I would bet that a LOT of deer hunters do not know that the general tag is for bucks only and that they need a bonus tag for antlerless..
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Post by birddog on Dec 1, 2005 10:10:19 GMT -5
I guess one has to put in the "years" of deer hunting to be able "not" to shoot the first thing that comes along...I have !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 1, 2005 10:18:15 GMT -5
I guess one has to put in the "years" of deer hunting to be able "not" to shoot the first thing that comes along...I have !!!!!!!!!!!! Yep.. That numbers of selective deer hunters is growing every year.. that is one reason we are seeing more and bigger bucks.. But, there is still a fair number fo deer hunters that want a deer- any deer.. |
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Post by birddog on Dec 1, 2005 10:22:17 GMT -5
That's true Woody and I have a hard time handling that, I know that a person gets all excited about seeing or killing a deer and it takes time to over come all that excitement so that one can take what is to be taken and not shooting the first thing that walks past.
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Post by daworz on Dec 1, 2005 15:23:04 GMT -5
Why dont they just drop the OBR, and lets get back to the way it was before, I feel that the bow hunter has suffered enough, I have read where they generate most of there surplus from the gun hunters and the weekenders, so thats right lets cater to them? What about us loyal hunters when is the state going to do something for us, oh well couple more years and iam moving to KY.......... Few more years and will have to mortage are homes to hunt (My Man Mitch).......
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Post by Trex on Dec 6, 2005 19:42:03 GMT -5
Each year I buy an archery license and an anterless permit. This year I took a buck during the early bow season. I have hunted the remainder of the archery season, the regular firearms season and a few days in the muzzleloader season. Now that I am looking for a doe what do I see?....nothing but bucks! I could have taken any one of about 10 bucks I have seen but only one doe has come within M/L range. I know the reason behind the OBR and the majority of the bucks that have passed by me were small 4 to 8 pt and will one day become very nice deer.
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Post by kevin1 on Dec 7, 2005 7:10:48 GMT -5
Why dont they just drop the OBR, and lets get back to the way it was before, I feel that the bow hunter has suffered enough, I have read where they generate most of there surplus from the gun hunters and the weekenders, so thats right lets cater to them? What about us loyal hunters when is the state going to do something for us, oh well couple more years and iam moving to KY.......... Few more years and will have to mortage are homes to hunt (My Man Mitch)....... I agree with most of your statement , but you seem to forget that shooting deer is what controls the herd population , not loyalty to hunting , and that's the biggest facet of herd management . The fact is it's the gun hunters who account for the greatest number of kills , and they always will . Yes , the bow hunter does get short shrift sometimes , but bow hunting also gets more than it's share of priveledges too . The gun hunter has only six total weeks to hunt deer compared to the nearly three months the bow hunter gets , and don't think that they don't resent that . Indiana bow hunters have it pretty good , all things considered . |
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Post by mullis56 on Dec 15, 2005 15:15:59 GMT -5
Amen Woody. I sincerely hope the DNR drops the one-buck-rule as soon as the 5 year trial expires. My guess is they will keep it though. It seems to me that the rule takes away from the most ardent sportsmen among us, me included. The average weekend hunter rarely if ever took more than one buck before, but us diehards would at times. I think the OBR was/is a huge disservice to we who have given so much to our sport in the past. Hoosier. As a lifetime HOOSIER and a lifetime license holder who lives in Noblesville.....the OBR is the BEST thing that has ever happened to this state. The buck quality is up....the number of bucks seen are way up vs. previous years. I saw more 2-1/2 to 1-1/2 bucks this year then ever, it all has to with everyone not shooting the 1st thing with antlers. It is a GREAT rule. The bottom line is that if you spend the time in the woods (weekends only) and are selective you'll get the animal you want every year. If you see a bigger one and you've already shot a buck, well I'm sure you could figure it out. I wouldn't do that but know several people who would. Bottom line: the OBR is GREAT for the QUALITY OF DEER!! |
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Post by mullis56 on Dec 15, 2005 15:22:22 GMT -5
Why dont they just drop the OBR, and lets get back to the way it was before, I feel that the bow hunter has suffered enough, I have read where they generate most of there surplus from the gun hunters and the weekenders, so thats right lets cater to them? What about us loyal hunters when is the state going to do something for us, oh well couple more years and iam moving to KY.......... Few more years and will have to mortage are homes to hunt (My Man Mitch)....... MY MAN MITCH - is the man! He just renewed the lease on the BEST public hunting ground in the state Minnehawa....and now has rights to grow the size of it based on the coal mine that surrounds it now. I live in Hamilton County and I GUARANTEE that within a week of hunting this public property I could kill a deer bigger then ANYTHING in ELWOOD! It is all about knowing where to go and going places others won't. Your talking to a guy who hunts public and private ground and would love to have my own land to hunt b/c of hunting pressure but it is reality there are always hunters and you have to hunt where they don't! |
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