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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 7, 2006 14:19:34 GMT -5
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Post by kevin1 on Mar 8, 2006 6:24:25 GMT -5
Just as I've always said , if you're doing QDM but your neighbors aren't then you're just wasting your time and effort . Like all other forms of antler management QDM is an all or nothing proposition , which is exactly why it will never work statewide . You can't control all of the variables .
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Post by wolfhound on Mar 8, 2006 7:48:36 GMT -5
I read an article at one time about fawn mortality. It claimed that 50% of yearlings die during their first year. The mortality rate is higher for males than females. The article supported taking yearlings. A biologist that was inteviewed said if it was up to him hunters would have to turn in 20 yearling jaws before getting a buck tag.
I don't try to shoot em but if I do it's no big deal.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 8, 2006 7:55:55 GMT -5
I read an article at one time about fawn mortality. It claimed that 50% of yearlings die during their first year. The mortality rate is higher for males than females. The article supported taking yearlings. A biologist that was inteviewed said if it was up to him hunters would have to turn in 20 yearling jaws before getting a buck tag. I don't try to shoot em but if I do it's no big deal. It has been awhile, but I think I read the same article. I'll pass the smaller deer - less meat.  I don't have ANY problem with anyone taking whatever deer that they want. It is after all - deer season. |
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Post by woodmaster on Mar 8, 2006 11:33:46 GMT -5
If your in a hunt club and the members agree on the rules then the rules should be enforced. I personally wouldn't shoot a button buck. If I need meat then I'll wait for a nice buck. That's just me though. If a person wants to shoot a button buck then thats their choice as long as they follow the rules set forth.
I have a buddy at work that shot a button buck at 15 yards with a bow. He told me he couldn't tell it was a button buck.....I found that hard to believe. I think he was embarrassed about it. It was his choice and if that is what he wanted then that is fine.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Mar 8, 2006 12:34:50 GMT -5
Good post.
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Post by wolfhound on Mar 8, 2006 13:18:16 GMT -5
It has been awhile, but I think I read the same article. I'll pass the smaller deer - less meat. I don't have ANY problem with anyone taking whatever deer that they want. It is after all - deer season. Like I said, I don't try to shoot em. The only time I ever shot an antlered deer was 2002 and I've been hunting since 96/97. I saw one a few years ago but it was out of range. Last year I passed one because I wasn't comfortable with the shot. I only take the shots when I know I'll make a clean kill. I end up shooting a lot of does or young deer. I can't afford to wait and hope I'll see an antlered buck. Illinois has very short deer seasons. |
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Post by duff on Mar 8, 2006 15:30:35 GMT -5
Pretty good article.
I agree with Woodmaster, when you make rules you play by them. But those are for a select club, nothing more. Shoot they could set any rules they want. It is when they try to push those rules (by changing laws) onto the non-members cause they are afraid the neighbors don't hunt the same as them that bothers me.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 8, 2006 16:23:20 GMT -5
Pretty good article. I agree with Woodmaster, when you make rules you play by them. But those are for a select club, nothing more. Shoot they could set any rules they want. It is when they try to push those rules (by changing laws) onto the non-members cause they are afraid the neighbors don't hunt the same as them that bothers me. |
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Post by hunter480 on Mar 8, 2006 16:36:08 GMT -5
It has been awhile, but I think I read the same article. I'll pass the smaller deer - less meat. I don't have ANY problem with anyone taking whatever deer that they want. It is after all - deer season.[/quote] Hi all-I`m new here, and this is the very first thread I`ve read and responded to. I want to say how thrilled I am to see the above post. I`ve had my fill of other hunters blasting guys for taking deer they felt were too small. I`m a meat hunter, and I can tell you, there`ve been seasons where I hunt that the button buck I took opening morning was the only deer I had a shot at all year. I really don`t like not having venison in the freezer. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 8, 2006 16:47:21 GMT -5
Welcome hunter480,
I agree...
Some folks sometimes forget that we all hunt for different/same reasons.
We have only one person to please when we hunt - ourselves..
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Post by cday on Mar 8, 2006 21:49:46 GMT -5
Heck in our state of Arkansas a button buck has to be tagged as a buck and is considered to be part of your buck bag limit of two.
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Post by powderfinger on Mar 9, 2006 8:32:38 GMT -5
Heck in our state of Arkansas a button buck has to be tagged as a buck and is considered to be part of your buck bag limit of two. Now that is a good idea....a buck is a buck. |
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Post by hotshot on Mar 9, 2006 9:02:17 GMT -5
Last season, as I shared here. My family took a few button bucks. I try not to, but this was a learning year for my young family. I wanted my 6 year old and 4 yr old to see what hunting was about. I promised them that I'd shoot the first deer that walked by. Each had a morning in the tree stand alone with me. The first I knew was a button, the second, I only caught a fleeting glimpse of a deer, two buttons. Sorry, but the short term oops, will bring two more kids into the world of deer hunting. I'll do my best to not shoot a button in the future.
While a young doe doesn't give a lot of meat, it sure is tender.
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Post by rmc on Mar 9, 2006 14:14:23 GMT -5
Kevin1, I practice QDM and my neighbors do not, it has worked wonders and gets better every year.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Mar 9, 2006 14:46:37 GMT -5
Welcome hunter480. Glad to have you on board. Like the avatar!
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Post by cday on Mar 10, 2006 0:54:02 GMT -5
Heck in our state of Arkansas a button buck has to be tagged as a buck and is considered to be part of your buck bag limit of two. Now that is a good idea....a buck is a buck. Myself I do not agree with it just the same as the antler restrictions. It hurts you doe harvest because some hunters will not shoot does in fear of shooting button bucks. It really sucks after already filling your two buck tags and end up shooting what you determined as a doe for your last doe tag. But it really does not matter most hunters down this way still tag and checked them as does anyhow or don't check them in at all. In fact they had a doe only hunt a couple of season ago at aWildlife Management Area (WMA). The results of the harvest was 75% of them were button bucks. This was a hunt that was very regulated and you could not leave with out checking your deer or leaving. So if it happened here what do you thing is happening in the rest of the state where there is not a Wildlife Officer for every two hunters. |
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Post by duff on Mar 10, 2006 10:14:09 GMT -5
I agree with Cday. If we want more hunters to shoot does, but punish them for shooting a button buck. The result will be less does killed. I don't know of many hunters that have never shot a button buck thinking it was a doe. Most do our best to avoid it, but it sure does happen.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 10, 2006 10:19:11 GMT -5
I agree with Cday. If we want more hunters to shoot does, but punish them for shooting a button buck. The result will be less does killed. I don't know of many hunters that have never shot a button buck thinking it was a doe. Most do our best to avoid it, but it sure does happen. If buttons are considered a legal bucks then a lot of does will be passed by hunters not wanting to chance it and/or a lot of dead buttons will be left in the woods to rot. |
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Post by powderfinger on Mar 10, 2006 19:36:05 GMT -5
Who said they are being punished by shooting a button? I thought a deer was a deer...who cares about antlers, right?
If you cant tell a button buck from 50 or 60 yards then you need to carry some binocs...
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