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Post by (Not Ronald) Reagan on Mar 10, 2023 10:57:28 GMT -5
What's a good longer range muzzleloader? I need one for Colorado elk. I currently have an older Remington 700, but I'm not sure about it 100-150 yards (I also want an excuse to get a new one).
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Post by esshup on Mar 10, 2023 12:22:19 GMT -5
Colorado you will be limited to iron sights, I believe no sabots and black powder and I believe some substitutes.
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Post by (Not Ronald) Reagan on Mar 10, 2023 12:56:55 GMT -5
No smokeless or pellets, I think that's a bit unsafe personally to the animal. A slight mismeasuerment of powder and you could hurt the animal... Pellets take that variable away for the most part.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 10, 2023 13:54:02 GMT -5
No smokeless or pellets, I think that's a bit unsafe personally to the animal. A slight mismeasuerment of powder and you could hurt the animal... Pellets take that variable away for the most part. Hmmm…🤔 |
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Post by (Not Ronald) Reagan on Mar 10, 2023 15:37:38 GMT -5
No smokeless or pellets, I think that's a bit unsafe personally to the animal. A slight mismeasuerment of powder and you could hurt the animal... Pellets take that variable away for the most part. Hmmm…🤔 *Maim lol |
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Post by greghopper on Mar 10, 2023 16:26:10 GMT -5
Guessing that’s why Daniel Boone never made a record book… bad Ammo/Powder! |
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Post by stevein on Mar 10, 2023 17:21:45 GMT -5
I know what is on each end of a pyrodex pellet and it is Black Powder. Not sure about the others.
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Post by stevein on Mar 10, 2023 17:33:28 GMT -5
I bet 5 to 10 grains +/- of a substitute will not make a difference. With smokeless probably. The Bison herd was mostly wiped out by loose black powder in MLs and black powders in cartridge guns.
Shooting Iron sights will make a greater difference than loose powder..
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Post by (Not Ronald) Reagan on Mar 10, 2023 23:36:04 GMT -5
Guessing that’s why Daniel Boone never made a record book… bad Ammo/Powder! 100%! |
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Post by greghopper on Mar 11, 2023 7:35:30 GMT -5
I bet 5 to 10 grains +/- of a substitute will not make a difference. With smokeless probably. The Bison herd was mostly wiped out by loose black powder in MLs and black powders in cartridge guns. Shooting Iron sights will make a greater difference than loose powder.. Absolutely….loose powder has been around for ever. |
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Post by esshup on Mar 11, 2023 7:59:29 GMT -5
Just like we do with the smokeless powder. Pre-measure it into a plastic vial, just dump into the gun for the next shot. No guessing in the field that way.
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Post by stevein on Mar 11, 2023 8:49:29 GMT -5
Just like we do with the smokeless powder. Pre-measure it into a plastic vial, just dump into the gun for the next shot. No guessing in the field that way. WOW! I always thought those using the Devil smokeless in their rifleguns carried scales for when a reload was required. I have to wonder how many that go to restricted states Muzzle loader find out their equipment does not meet the rules when they get there or not long before they leave. |
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Post by stevein on Mar 11, 2023 9:13:53 GMT -5
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Post by esshup on Mar 11, 2023 9:15:26 GMT -5
Just like we do with the smokeless powder. Pre-measure it into a plastic vial, just dump into the gun for the next shot. No guessing in the field that way. WOW! I always thought those using the Devil smokeless in their rifleguns carried scales for when a reload was required. I have to wonder how many that go to restricted states Muzzle loader find out their equipment does not meet the rules when they get there or not long before they leave. LOL. I use the scales as I fill the vials. I hear ya on the restricted states. I called Colorado before I was due to go there for a late season cow elk hunt where you could use rifles, asking them if I could use my Savage muzzleloader. The answer was no. ANY muzzleloader had to be iron sights, non sabot, non "rifle" powder, even if it was used during a centerfire rifle season. How dumb is that? So I took the long range rifle and shot the cow at 708 yds. |
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Mar 11, 2023 11:51:37 GMT -5
Just like we do with the smokeless powder. Pre-measure it into a plastic vial, just dump into the gun for the next shot. No guessing in the field that way. WOW! I always thought those using the Devil smokeless in their rifleguns carried scales for when a reload was required. I have to wonder how many that go to restricted states Muzzle loader find out their equipment does not meet the rules when they get there or not long before they leave. Or how many just never even know that they aren't legal? Every time I've been to the Big Oaks primitive ML hunt, there have been guys that didn't read the rules and drive all the way there with a scoped inline. |
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Mar 11, 2023 11:54:34 GMT -5
WOW! I always thought those using the Devil smokeless in their rifleguns carried scales for when a reload was required. I have to wonder how many that go to restricted states Muzzle loader find out their equipment does not meet the rules when they get there or not long before they leave. LOL. I use the scales as I fill the vials. I hear ya on the restricted states. I called Colorado before I was due to go there for a late season cow elk hunt where you could use rifles, asking them if I could use my Savage muzzleloader. The answer was no. ANY muzzleloader had to be iron sights, non sabot, non "rifle" powder, even if it was used during a centerfire rifle season. How dumb is that? So I took the long range rifle and shot the cow at 708 yds. That may have been the case at that time, I don't know. Or the person who answered the phone didn't know what they were talking about. Anyway, those rules are only for the ML seasons now. You can use whatever ML setup you want during a rifle season. |
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