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Post by chewbacca on Feb 2, 2023 8:48:45 GMT -5
Just a heads up fellas...I found my survey in my junk mail box. If you didn't see it in your regular inbox you may want to check there.
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Post by subzero350 on Feb 2, 2023 10:52:26 GMT -5
Here's the amounts they gave me on the lifetime licenses in my survey:
$1259 for a comprehensive lifetime fishing license (incl trout and salmon stamps) $2763 for a lifetime deer bundle license $1171 for a comprehensive lifetime fishing license (incl trout and salmon stamps) (2nd time they asked this question in my survey) $7971 for a Comprehensive Lifetime Sportsperson license (unlimited hunting, fishing, trapping)
I'm of the opinion that if the state were to offer lifetime licenses again, they should be priced based on the person's age. It isn't fair to ask someone aged 55 to pay the same amount as a 20 y/o for a lifetime license when the 55 y/o realistically will probably only use it for 20 years. Of course, doing this could potentially violate equal protection / age discrimination laws, so that is something to consider.
The prices asked in the survey are way too high. The state needs to quit looking at license fees as a money-making scheme. Don't we already pay enough to the state in the various taxes they charge us to keep the government wheels turning? With all the license fees increases over the past few years, I haven't seen more DNR CO's in the field than I did 15 years ago. Where's all that extra money going?
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Post by esshup on Feb 2, 2023 10:54:17 GMT -5
They said the $$ numbers that they were putting on the lifetime license was a random generated number. I guess throwing stuff at the wall to see if it'd stick.
There were no provisions in the answers to say that you already had a lifetime license. When I bought mine, I believe the break even point was 5 years down the road with what I was hunting and fishing for at the time. Now with the bundle and all the other tags, I have no idea how to figure out the cost. The only thing I didn't get was the lifetime trapping license since the price of furs was down so much. IIRC I got mine in 1998 or 1999. When did they stop selling them? My sister and bro in law were going to buy one for my nephew and said they would when they got back from vacation. They stopped selling them when they were on that vacation.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 2, 2023 12:14:48 GMT -5
They said the $$ numbers that they were putting on the lifetime license was a random generated number. I guess throwing stuff at the wall to see if it'd stick. There were no provisions in the answers to say that you already had a lifetime license. When I bought mine, I believe the break even point was 5 years down the road with what I was hunting and fishing for at the time. Now with the bundle and all the other tags, I have no idea how to figure out the cost. The only thing I didn't get was the lifetime trapping license since the price of furs was down so much. IIRC I got mine in 1998 or 1999. When did they stop selling them? My sister and bro in law were going to buy one for my nephew and said they would when they got back from vacation. They stopped selling them when they were on that vacation. When you do the survey one of the first questions is what license do you buy or use…. That’s one way the could know who is choosing what.IMO
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Post by esshup on Feb 2, 2023 12:44:37 GMT -5
They said the $$ numbers that they were putting on the lifetime license was a random generated number. I guess throwing stuff at the wall to see if it'd stick. There were no provisions in the answers to say that you already had a lifetime license. When I bought mine, I believe the break even point was 5 years down the road with what I was hunting and fishing for at the time. Now with the bundle and all the other tags, I have no idea how to figure out the cost. The only thing I didn't get was the lifetime trapping license since the price of furs was down so much. IIRC I got mine in 1998 or 1999. When did they stop selling them? My sister and bro in law were going to buy one for my nephew and said they would when they got back from vacation. They stopped selling them when they were on that vacation. When you do the survey one of the first questions is what license do you buy or use…. That’s one way the could know who is choosing what.IMO True, but to get them to bring back the lifetime license, should the current lifetime license holders just say they wouldn't buy one or continue on to answer the questions as if they didn't have one and would like to get one? I feel that if the current lifetime holders said they wouldn't buy one, that will skew the survey results even though they said they currently have one.
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Post by Huntnfreak on Feb 2, 2023 12:49:08 GMT -5
When you do the survey one of the first questions is what license do you buy or use…. That’s one way the could know who is choosing what.IMO True, but to get them to bring back the lifetime license, should the current lifetime license holders just say they wouldn't buy one or continue on to answer the questions as if they didn't have one and would like to get one? I feel that if the current lifetime holders said they wouldn't buy one, that will skew the survey results even though they said they currently have one. I answered “no” to the question asking if I would purchase one simply due to the price I was looking at. Yes it will be skewed somewhat.
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Post by chewbacca on Feb 2, 2023 13:13:50 GMT -5
I would be shocked if anyone answers yes to the random costs they are giving for the lifetime licenses.
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Post by pigeonflier on Feb 2, 2023 13:24:49 GMT -5
This is the exact carbon copy of how the conversations went back when OBR was up fer discussions. Depending on which forum you were on depended on how the conversations went. Some for it. But to me it seemed like more against. Guys got banned left and right cause they didn't know how to control their internet flex.
How many guys who were dead head against OBR still are against it?
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Post by bowtech5 on Feb 2, 2023 13:31:37 GMT -5
Mine said 6411 for the lifetime . I’d pay 3000 tops
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Feb 2, 2023 14:58:18 GMT -5
I spend around $200/year for licenses and stamps.
I expect to live and hunt at least 40 more years.
$200 x 40 years = $8000
I would pay anything up to that amount. License prices are only going to increase, buying 40 years at current prices would be like getting it on sale.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 2, 2023 15:23:06 GMT -5
I spend around $200/year for licenses and stamps. I expect to live and hunt at least 40 more years. $200 x 40 years = $8000 I would pay anything up to that amount. License prices are only going to increase, buying 40 years at current prices would be like getting it on sale. The money is a factor no doubt but I would think the ease and knowing you have correct license means something also IMO
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Post by Huntnfreak on Feb 2, 2023 15:30:34 GMT -5
I spend around $200/year for licenses and stamps. I expect to live and hunt at least 40 more years. $200 x 40 years = $8000 I would pay anything up to that amount. License prices are only going to increase, buying 40 years at current prices would be like getting it on sale. The money is a factor no doubt but I would think the ease and knowing you have correct license means something also IMO That’s a good point also!! I know personally since I’ve had my lifetime license I have paid a little less attention to the regs. What I mean by that is…I only hunt private ground and generally only harvest a buck or nothing at all. I still read them every year, but I don’t focus on the number of deer I can harvest because it doesn’t pertain to the way I hunt. Peace of mind for sure!!
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Post by genesis273 on Feb 2, 2023 16:10:56 GMT -5
Filled it out during lunch today. Suggested no changes.
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Post by esshup on Feb 2, 2023 16:29:47 GMT -5
The biggest selling point to me for buying the lifetime besides "ALL future licenses and stamps will be included" was the part that said "This license is valid for your lifetime, even if you move out of state".
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 2, 2023 16:54:41 GMT -5
Since I'll be 84 in June my LTL money question was $7 or a dozen eggs.
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Post by parrothead on Feb 2, 2023 16:57:06 GMT -5
I was curious looked at surrounding states Michigan 1025 for combo hunt/fish Illinois 765 combo hunt/fish Ohio all i found was life time fishing 432 then life time hunting 576 total 1008
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 2, 2023 17:00:17 GMT -5
This is the exact carbon copy of how the conversations went back when OBR was up fer discussions. Depending on which forum you were on depended on how the conversations went. Some for it. But to me it seemed like more against. Guys got banned left and right cause they didn't know how to control their internet flex. How many guys who were dead head against OBR still are against it? The OBR was put into place by the good old boy network.. a couple Organized hunting groups wanted it and Jim Mitchel OKed it. The second group (bowhunters) "shot themselves in the foot according to Jim.. They did regret it. Ever since the "trial" started the buck kill has progressed up and up. IOW - We aren't "saving any bucks". Yep, lets go back to one with archery equipment and one wit a firearm.
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Post by pigeonflier on Feb 2, 2023 17:31:22 GMT -5
You can have a 2nd buck with gun... Just only if you can get it in 7 days...
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 2, 2023 17:41:39 GMT -5
This is the exact carbon copy of how the conversations went back when OBR was up fer discussions. Depending on which forum you were on depended on how the conversations went. Some for it. But to me it seemed like more against. Guys got banned left and right cause they didn't know how to control their internet flex. How many guys who were dead head against OBR still are against it? The OBR was put into place by the good old boy network.. a couple Organized hunting groups wanted it and Jim Mitchel OKed it. The second group (bowhunters) "shot themselves in the foot according to Jim.. They did regret it. Ever since the "trial" started the buck kill has progressed up and up. IOW - We aren't "saving any bucks". Yep, lets go back to one with archery equipment and one wit a firearm. Totally disagree. OBR does increase buck harvest, YES. Why? Because there are more bucks each year. (Simple mathematics). It helps increase buck population, like rolling a snowball dn a hill. Don't kid yourself either, Indiana is not a true one buck state, (Reduction zones, park hunts, military refuge, depredation tags etc.), I fought for it back then and will continue to do so, same with longer seasons , which allow hunters to be more selective (if they choose), and more days to enjoy the great outdoors.
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Post by parrothead on Feb 2, 2023 17:43:43 GMT -5
I would be curious to know how many life license holder there are and how many have passed away
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