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Post by Ahawkeye on Jul 12, 2022 14:07:45 GMT -5
I want your opinion, here's mine.
I love my guns, I like that they help me shoot deer, doves, ducks, turkey and anything else I decide I want to shoot. I own shotguns, a rifle (30-06), a hand gun, and a muzzle loader. I love all of them.
I am tired of school shootings, mass shootings, attempted mass shootings and so forth. Our present laws are not keeping these things from happening, where do we go from here? I'm sure many of you can relate you probably love your guns as well, love hunting, and love shooting. You love America and feel like the 2nd amendment is a good thing but how do we stop this? What can we do? I don't want to give MY guns up and you don't want to give yours up and if we even looked at that situation that would put guns in the bad guys hands and out of the good guys hands. So to be frank, what the hell are we going to do? How can we stop this? It happens so often we step right over the topic because we are tired of hearing it.
I want to know from you guys who are like me, we're not exactly alike but we share a lot of the same values. What do you think we should do? How do we stop this? I don't care if you and I have had huge arguments here or if you have liked a bunch of my posts I want as many honest opinions that I can get. I realize this would get more views in the campfire but I don't want to push anything on anyone who comes here to escape the BS that happens in the world and doesn't want to think about it. Please give me your .02
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Post by coyote6974 on Jul 12, 2022 18:48:36 GMT -5
The problem isn't guns.. I own numerous guns, and not a single one of them has got up off the table and headed off to spread violence and destruction. I even have some dreaded black rifles that have only killed coyotes, and other vermin. Don't blame the gun.
The issue is our current godless society, and the crap nutballs that have grown up in it. The time has come to seriously crack down on mentally disturbed individuals. There was a time up until around the mid eighties, that mentally ill individuals were identified, and removed from society to a place of treatment. I hauled many of them to Central State myself. No longer does our society put them away where they can do no harm, our society lets them live among us.
What we need to do is identify individuals who display signs of mental illness, and have them adjudicated mentally ill if they are. Once adjudicated as mentally ill, that information should be added to the data base of prohibited persons when it comes to purchasing, or possessing firearms. We have to be sure that this information will show up on a background check in the event that they do attempt to purchase a firearm so that they are denied. We also need to make it 100% clear to family members of these mentally ill intividuals, that should their mentally ill family member gain access to their firearms that they will be held criminally responsible for the actions of their nut case kid. We have to get serious about keeping firearms out of the possession of unstable mentally ill individuals.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 18:56:21 GMT -5
The issue isn't more restrictions, a gun is a tool, and if someone wants to hurt people they can use any number of things. Gun, vehicle, knife, poison, bomb, etc.
Our problem is our society is mentally ill, severely.
There is no sense of truth anymore, it's now subjective and if you don't agree with someone's truth you're often hated, and not the generic hate in a lot of cases, but a visceral hate.
This isn't healthy, we have a mental health issue not a gun issue.
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Post by greghopper on Jul 12, 2022 18:59:07 GMT -5
It was a big mistake to close mental hospitals in this state. Most mentally ill are in jail or homeless currently.IMO
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Post by Ahawkeye on Jul 12, 2022 19:24:24 GMT -5
I agree on all counts the mental health background check needs to be better. There is a fine line though, being treated for mental health vs being deemed mentally unstable or "unfit" for gun ownership in my opinion. What we have now is not working. The police are spread too thin and under too much red tape, I do recognize that they do stop some attempts though and I am grateful for that. It just seems like a broken record, some nutcase shoots up a school, Dems go crazy, GOP slides it by the wayside. I vote whichever way I feel is the best candidate, that tends to be Republican though. Thank you all for your thoughts I will at the least be able to be more educated in upcoming elections.
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Post by beermaker on Jul 12, 2022 20:23:48 GMT -5
Just this past Sunday I was floored by something that our oldest (15) said to me.
I arrived home from the grocery store at around 8:15 am. She was (not asked) scooping dog crap from the fenced in area of the yard. Shen then took it upon herself to get the Ego push mower and mow that section of the yard. I unloaded the groceries and my wife and our youngest (12) put everything away. Not long after that the youngest was mowing the front yard, I was trimming and my wife and the oldest were pulling weeds and pruning the roses. The whole family was working in the yard. That's when she said "daddy have you ever noticed that we are the only family in the neighborhood that works outside together?"
I'm not worried about my kids making drastically tragic decisions.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Jul 12, 2022 20:41:21 GMT -5
When using the term "we"...
We don't do a whole lot of work outside but we do a whole lot of playing outside. Eternal baseball games endless games of horse catching fireflies drawing on sidewalks or terrorizing the cat.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Jul 12, 2022 20:42:58 GMT -5
Today's activity was an inflatable water slide that the kids aunt got them. Here's the aftermath!  |
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Post by Ahawkeye on Jul 12, 2022 20:44:06 GMT -5
The wife is going to inflate it tomorrow without the water and try to get it dried out Before we store it.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 12, 2022 21:27:15 GMT -5
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Post by esshup on Jul 12, 2022 22:05:11 GMT -5
I heard that the doors to the classrooms weren't capable of being locked from inside. Only from the outside, so the teacher had to go outside the classroom into the hall to lock the door with a key.
That's nuts.
Then I see where they are saying to retrofit every door it would cost between $200 and $900 to change the locks. I might be able to see $200, but $900?? Are they nuts?
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Post by blackmouthcur on Jul 12, 2022 22:24:38 GMT -5
The problem isn't guns.. I own numerous guns, and not a single one of them has got up off the table and headed off to spread violence and destruction. I even have some dreaded black rifles that have only killed coyotes, and other vermin. Don't blame the gun. The issue is our current godless society, and the crap nutballs that have grown up in it. The time has come to seriously crack down on mentally disturbed individuals. There was a time up until around the mid eighties, that mentally ill individuals were identified, and removed from society to a place of treatment. I hauled many of them to Central State myself. No longer does our society put them away where they can do no harm, our society lets them live among us. What we need to do is identify individuals who display signs of mental illness, and have them adjudicated mentally ill if they are. Once adjudicated as mentally ill, that information should be added to the data base of prohibited persons when it comes to purchasing, or possessing firearms. We have to be sure that this information will show up on a background check in the event that they do attempt to purchase a firearm so that they are denied. We also need to make it 100% clear to family members of these mentally ill intividuals, that should their mentally ill family member gain access to their firearms that they will be held criminally responsible for the actions of their nut case kid. We have to get serious about keeping firearms out of the possession of unstable mentally ill individuals. Why is being “godless “ a problem? |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 13, 2022 7:54:00 GMT -5
I heard that the doors to the classrooms weren't capable of being locked from inside. Only from the outside, so the teacher had to go outside the classroom into the hall to lock the door with a key. That's nuts. Then I see where they are saying to retrofit every door it would cost between $200 and $900 to change the locks. I might be able to see $200, but $900?? Are they nuts? I thought I read where they were going to tear the whole school down? |
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Post by jjas on Jul 13, 2022 8:30:38 GMT -5
I heard that the doors to the classrooms weren't capable of being locked from inside. Only from the outside, so the teacher had to go outside the classroom into the hall to lock the door with a key. That's nuts. Then I see where they are saying to retrofit every door it would cost between $200 and $900 to change the locks. I might be able to see $200, but $900?? Are they nuts? I thought I read where they were going to tear the whole school down? I believe they are, but apparently most schools built during this time frame (the 1960's) have the same type of locks. |
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Post by esshup on Jul 13, 2022 8:43:34 GMT -5
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Post by omegahunter on Jul 13, 2022 14:17:08 GMT -5
I posted somewhere before...
All the elites have armed guards. The President, ex-Presidents, even entertainers & athletes, ...
Important buildings have multiple armed guards. Congress building, sporting events, ...
I realize that most schools have a resource officer that is assigned to them, but that is not enough. Security needs to be cracked down to one entrance during open hours and have multiple armed guards walking the halls and a couple stationed at the designated entrance.
I hate taxes, but would gladly pay increased taxes if it went directly to protecting the schools in my community!
Start protecting the schools and schools will stop being targets by attention-seeking, troubled youth.
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Post by deadeer on Jul 13, 2022 15:53:16 GMT -5
Right on brother 100%!
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Post by beermaker on Jul 14, 2022 4:07:54 GMT -5
The high school I graduated from (1992) did not have doors on any classroom. All walls, other than structural, were modular and rooms had a 6' (approx) opening. You could hear everything going on in neighboring classrooms.
The school also had a parking lot full of trucks with full gun racks on the back window.
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Post by stevein on Jul 14, 2022 11:00:17 GMT -5
I have thought along those lines many times like Hunter Max mentioned. The what if and how toos. I have come to the conclusion that no law is going to protect the schools. Those hell bent on a mass muder have no regard for laws or human life. The only way to stop it is to remove all items that could be used by someone. I would not want to send my son or daughter out to collect guns. Sooner or later there will be a blood bath.
I think there is a lot they could do to harden the schools. There is a good YouTube video on what a Southern Indiana school has done to give teachers and kids a chance. I saw another school when going to watch my daughter in a marching band invitational that was using new landscape to prevent a vehicle from crashing doors and other entry points. For NW Allen schools to have a SRO in each building it would require at least 10 officers and that does include vacation, training, sick days coverage. Equip each one with a dog and cost goes way up. I have heard we should be running every student through metal detectors. Those that advocate have not been near schools such a Carroll when the busses, parents dropping off and those filling the parking lot arrive.
My 29 year old son and I were having a conversation about arming teachers. His take is that kids would find out through their networks which ones are armed. As far as armed teachers go I do not think I would want them to go into the halls after a shooter. Stay in the classroom and protect their students.
After much examining my conscience I have come to the conclusion that
-> Morally me getting rid of my guns would have no effect.
-> Stopping or persecuting those with mental health would do more harm than good.
-> Most students do not want to snitch for fear of being found out.
-> It is a complex problem. I suppose that there is not enough knowledge or consistant reasons to draw conclusions.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Jul 14, 2022 13:10:14 GMT -5
I have thought along those lines many times like Hunter Max mentioned. The what if and how toos. I have come to the conclusion that no law is going to protect the schools. Those hell bent on a mass muder have no regard for laws or human life. The only way to stop it is to remove all items that could be used by someone. I would not want to send my son or daughter out to collect guns. Sooner or later there will be a blood bath. I think there is a lot they could do to harden the schools. There is a good YouTube video on what a Southern Indiana school has done to give teachers and kids a chance. I saw another school when going to watch my daughter in a marching band invitational that was using new landscape to prevent a vehicle from crashing doors and other entry points. For NW Allen schools to have a SRO in each building it would require at least 10 officers and that does include vacation, training, sick days coverage. Equip each one with a dog and cost goes way up. I have heard we should be running every student through metal detectors. Those that advocate have not been near schools such a Carroll when the busses, parents dropping off and those filling the parking lot arrive. My 29 year old son and I were having a conversation about arming teachers. His take is that kids would find out through their networks which ones are armed. As far as armed teachers go I do not think I would want them to go into the halls after a shooter. Stay in the classroom and protect their students. After much examining my conscience I have come to the conclusion that -> Morally me getting rid of my guns would have no effect. -> Stopping or persecuting those with mental health would do more harm than good. -> Most students do not want to snitch for fear of being found out. -> It is a complex problem. I suppose that there is not enough knowledge or consistant reasons to draw conclusions. Very well said, it certainly is a complex problem. |
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