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Post by sculver7 on May 25, 2022 11:04:37 GMT -5
My reply to the " omg teachers with guns" pearl clutching is the same Woody's. If the softness of the target is not a consideration of the attacker, why do mass shooters never attack gun ranges? Or police stations? It's always schools or stores. Teachers willing to be armed should be. (Sure, training requirements, fine, if it could satisfy doubters.You can't teach 'cool under pressure ' anyway, and that's the nitty gritty) As to the " collateral damage" argument, it's difficult to think this way but one child hurt and a dozen or more saved in a gunfight with the perp? What if it's my kid? Food for thought. Arm willing teachers! While I agree with your sentiment for the most part, there have been shootings at gun ranges. Chris Kyle was killed at a gun range surrounded by many well-trained people. The reason I say this is that I think the issue needs to be addressed for what it is. There are many people who have serious mental insufficiencies, whether it be from chemical imbalance, environmental influences, family circumstance, etc. There is a mental health crisis in this country and around the world caused by many different things. Until we get proper avenues to handle this mental health issue, you can take away all the guns you want or you can arm as many people as you want... these shootings are still going to happen. Gun control as well as more armed teachers, guards, etc., are both just straw man arguments from either side. Would arming more people decrease the number of people shot each time? maybe. I wish more people would arm themselves, but the root of the issue is mental health issues caused by stress, depression, fear... and we as a society only perpetuate these issues. The last two years of fear of physical health issues made worse by lockdowns, mandates, not seeing family as much as normal in addition to the world tailspinning out of control and the unknown of what tomorrow is going to bring has a lot of people in a shaky mental state... and this is just the beginning. Until the idiots on both sides stop shouting their straw man arguments and agree to get to the actual root of the problem, nothing else will change a thing. It is a sad, sad day and I pray for and grieve with the people affected.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 25, 2022 11:53:10 GMT -5
For 8+ hours a day those kids are “family” to the teachers. Yes, teachers would need extensive firearm and situational awareness training and I’m ok with that requirement. Just the fact that a perp would know that some teachers are armed and trained to shoot back would be a deterrent. There is a reason that these people select gun free zones to shoot up versus gun stores and police stations. Woody, I have to disagree with you. While many of these shooters come out of this alive, I think the vast majority of the people who commit these crimes figure going in that they have little chance of survival. You could be right BUT these crazies want take out as many as they can before they are killed. It’s almost like a video game to them.
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Post by bill9068 on May 25, 2022 12:04:37 GMT -5
bill9068 That sounds all fine and good, but even seasoned police officers struggle in stressful situations like this and make the wrong decisions @ times. Asking a teacher with "some" training to take that on is (IMO) asking way too much of teachers and will likely end up with an innocent person and perhaps the teacher being killed. We can arm chair quarterback as I’ve done all day. All I’m saying is proper training ( some was a poor choice in words) is needed for WILLING and properly vetted volunteers. I’ve seen manly men back away from dangerous situations, that’s not struggling, that’s experience. You never know how you would react till your there, training is ongoing until it’s automatic then you would be surprised how calm you are when sh-t hits the fan.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on May 25, 2022 12:06:50 GMT -5
The shooter’s name is Salvador Ramos. Looks to be Mexican or South American. They by now know his intentions and political views but we have heard nothing which tells me it doesn’t fit the narrative they wanted. These nutcases go into gun free zone and slaughter innocent children. We need armed guards at every school along with trained armed willing teachers. In the old days, the kids and parents brought their guns to class and put them with their coats cured this shooting issue. A long time ago I owned and lived in an apartment building. I hung my guns on the living room wall and you could see them from the street. In all the years my apartment building was never touched by the westside gang. My neighbor was in the gang and they knew better. I would practice my bow in the back-side yard all the time. Sent a nice clear message to the group. Over time I got to know most of the boys and tried to help them be better young men.
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Post by greghopper on May 25, 2022 12:27:21 GMT -5
My reply to the " omg teachers with guns" pearl clutching is the same Woody's. If the softness of the target is not a consideration of the attacker, why do mass shooters never attack gun ranges? Or police stations? It's always schools or stores. Teachers willing to be armed should be. (Sure, training requirements, fine, if it could satisfy doubters.You can't teach 'cool under pressure ' anyway, and that's the nitty gritty) As to the " collateral damage" argument, it's difficult to think this way but one child hurt and a dozen or more saved in a gunfight with the perp? What if it's my kid? Food for thought. Arm willing teachers! While I agree with your sentiment for the most part, there have been shootings at gun ranges. Chris Kyle was killed at a gun range surrounded by many well-trained people. The reason I say this is that I think the issue needs to be addressed for what it is. There are many people who have serious mental insufficiencies, whether it be from chemical imbalance, environmental influences, family circumstance, etc. There is a mental health crisis in this country and around the world caused by many different things. Until we get proper avenues to handle this mental health issue, you can take away all the guns you want or you can arm as many people as you want... these shootings are still going to happen. Gun control as well as more armed teachers, guards, etc., are both just straw man arguments from either side. Would arming more people decrease the number of people shot each time? maybe. I wish more people would arm themselves, but the root of the issue is mental health issues caused by stress, depression, fear... and we as a society only perpetuate these issues. The last two years of fear of physical health issues made worse by lockdowns, mandates, not seeing family as much as normal in addition to the world tailspinning out of control and the unknown of what tomorrow is going to bring has a lot of people in a shaky mental state... and this is just the beginning. Until the idiots on both sides stop shouting their straw man arguments and agree to get to the actual root of the problem, nothing else will change a thing. It is a sad, sad day and I pray for and grieve with the people affected. I remember a police station being burned down in Min. During BLM also…. So it does happen! Amazing the details that get forgotten.
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Post by Sasquatch on May 25, 2022 12:41:37 GMT -5
My reply to the " omg teachers with guns" pearl clutching is the same Woody's. If the softness of the target is not a consideration of the attacker, why do mass shooters never attack gun ranges? Or police stations? It's always schools or stores. Teachers willing to be armed should be. (Sure, training requirements, fine, if it could satisfy doubters.You can't teach 'cool under pressure ' anyway, and that's the nitty gritty) As to the " collateral damage" argument, it's difficult to think this way but one child hurt and a dozen or more saved in a gunfight with the perp? What if it's my kid? Food for thought. Arm willing teachers! While I agree with your sentiment for the most part, there have been shootings at gun ranges. Chris Kyle was killed at a gun range surrounded by many well-trained people. The reason I say this is that I think the issue needs to be addressed for what it is. There are many people who have serious mental insufficiencies, whether it be from chemical imbalance, environmental influences, family circumstance, etc. There is a mental health crisis in this country and around the world caused by many different things. Until we get proper avenues to handle this mental health issue, you can take away all the guns you want or you can arm as many people as you want... these shootings are still going to happen. Gun control as well as more armed teachers, guards, etc., are both just straw man arguments from either side. Would arming more people decrease the number of people shot each time? maybe. I wish more people would arm themselves, but the root of the issue is mental health issues caused by stress, depression, fear... and we as a society only perpetuate these issues. The last two years of fear of physical health issues made worse by lockdowns, mandates, not seeing family as much as normal in addition to the world tailspinning out of control and the unknown of what tomorrow is going to bring has a lot of people in a shaky mental state... and this is just the beginning. Until the idiots on both sides stop shouting their straw man arguments and agree to get to the actual root of the problem, nothing else will change a thing. It is a sad, sad day and I pray for and grieve with the people affected. Absolutely. Mention dealing with mental health and you are "stigmatizing " people. This kid, like the vast majority of them, was a nut and nobody did anything. Since someone will inevitably say " there were those two kids that showed no sign.." Of course. But most of them do. I stand by the assertion that attacks of hard targets are far less common, and virtually unheard of by deranged lone gunman.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 25, 2022 13:13:31 GMT -5
No shots were fired in the burning down of the police station. The officers were told to stand down and then abandon the station. Nothing we are talking about here pertains to that fiasco,
Chris Kyle was killed by a single bullet, again by an unstable individual. It was not a planned mass shooting.
This perp encountered a resource officer and exchanged gunfire wounding the officer. He did drop his backpack that had more magazines in it. That indicates to me that this was all planned.
Dropping the backpack probably saved some lives.
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Post by genesis273 on May 26, 2022 7:16:29 GMT -5
Beto O'Rourke was sure trying to capitalize on it yesterday at the press conference.
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Post by Sasquatch on May 26, 2022 7:20:01 GMT -5
Exhibit A in the case of political grandstanding & this tragedy: Beto O'Rourke interrupting the Governor's press conference. Absolutely sickening. If pointing that out is "cold" call me the iceman.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 26, 2022 14:18:49 GMT -5
Exhibit A in the case of political grandstanding & this tragedy: Beto O'Rourke interrupting the Governor's press conference. Absolutely sickening. If pointing that out is "cold" call me the iceman. Francis O'Rourke just killed any chance (if he ever had any) of being elected Governor. Not the place to do this.. Watch for begging emails from his campaign..
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Post by Woody Williams on May 26, 2022 16:02:55 GMT -5
Exhibit A in the case of political grandstanding & this tragedy: Beto O'Rourke interrupting the Governor's press conference. Absolutely sickening. If pointing that out is "cold" call me the iceman. Francis O'Rourke just killed any chance (if he ever had any) of being elected Governor. Not the place to do this.. Watch for begging emails from his campaign.. BTW - The loony extreme left thinks what he did was great..
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Post by ms660 on May 27, 2022 0:21:42 GMT -5
I know for sure if my occupation was a teacher in a public school I would be carrying a concealed weapon and no one would know. To hell with gun free zones. My employer has rules that say we are not allowed to have a weapon on property they own or the vehicles they own. I have worked there for 10 years and I carry or it's in my lunch box a small North American Arms 22 mag without anyone knowing about it. I value my life more than my job.
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Post by greghopper on May 27, 2022 5:18:31 GMT -5
I know for sure if my occupation was a teacher in a public school I would be carrying a concealed weapon and no one would know. To hell with gun free zones. My employer has rules that say we are not allowed to have a weapon on property they own or the vehicles they own. I have worked there for 10 years and I carry or it's in my lunch box a small North American Arms 22 mag without anyone knowing about it. I value my life more than my job. In Indiana to have a handgun in a school is a major NO NO …. You’re loose your right to carry if caught! Thus being a felony charges…. Private businesses is different!
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Post by Sasquatch on May 27, 2022 6:32:02 GMT -5
I know for sure if my occupation was a teacher in a public school I would be carrying a concealed weapon and no one would know. To hell with gun free zones. My employer has rules that say we are not allowed to have a weapon on property they own or the vehicles they own. I have worked there for 10 years and I carry or it's in my lunch box a small North American Arms 22 mag without anyone knowing about it. I value my life more than my job. In Indiana to have a handgun in a school is a major NO NO …. You’re loose your right to carry if caught! Thus being a felony charges…. Private businesses is different! And that is INEXCUSABLE. Like we said, Mass shooters know this, and that's why they don't attack hard targets.
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Post by greghopper on May 27, 2022 7:34:13 GMT -5
In Indiana to have a handgun in a school is a major NO NO …. You’re loose your right to carry if caught! Thus being a felony charges…. Private businesses is different! And that is INEXCUSABLE. Like we said, Mass shooters know this, and that's why they don't attack hard targets. Correct…. Most schools with LEO’s in attendance are not targeted It doesn’t take a large group with guns to detour a problem or threats. IMO
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Post by esshup on May 28, 2022 0:21:38 GMT -5
No shots were fired in the burning down of the police station. The officers were told to stand down and then abandon the station. Nothing we are talking about here pertains to that fiasco, Chris Kyle was killed by a single bullet, again by an unstable individual. It was not a planned mass shooting. This perp encountered a resource officer and exchanged gunfire wounding the officer. He did drop his backpack that had more magazines in it. That indicates to me that this was all planned. Dropping the backpack probably saved some lives. Now the story is changing that there was no resources officer.......
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Jun 2, 2022 10:18:15 GMT -5
What I have not read about this is how a 18 year old cross dresser living with his grandmother can purchase two new AR15 rifles, plus ammo that costs about $5000. Plus he purchased a brand new F250 that is around $70,000. So, within weeks spends $75,000 to shoot up a school. Who gave him that money and who would lend that kind of money to and 18 yr. old cross dresser? This story still smells rotten.
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Post by greghopper on Jun 2, 2022 11:02:21 GMT -5
What I have not read about this is how a 18 year old cross dresser living with his grandmother can purchase two new AR15 rifles, plus ammo that costs about $5000. Plus he purchased a brand new F250 that is around $70,000. So, within weeks spends $75,000 to shoot up a school. Who gave him that money and who would lend that kind of money to and 18 yr. old cross dresser? This story still smells rotten. When you apply for a loan they don’t ask if you’re a “cross dresser”…. Surprise!
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Post by jjas on Jun 2, 2022 11:14:26 GMT -5
What I have not read about this is how a 18 year old cross dresser living with his grandmother can purchase two new AR15 rifles, plus ammo that costs about $5000. Plus he purchased a brand new F250 that is around $70,000. So, within weeks spends $75,000 to shoot up a school. Who gave him that money and who would lend that kind of money to and 18 yr. old cross dresser? This story still smells rotten. When you apply for a loan they don’t ask if you’re a “cross dresser”…. Surprise! I don't know about the money for the rifles and ammo, but as far as the truck goes, all I've seen reported is that the pick up belonged to his Grandmother. If you have a source that says differently, I'd love to see it...
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Post by stevein on Jul 8, 2022 10:42:01 GMT -5
I hate the fact that those with less than conservative political views are called lefties of left wing or left whatever.
It is insulting to those of use that were born to use our left hands for most things. We have pay to have lefthanded safeties on our guns. Ever seen a lefthanded revolver? I do not think you have.
The less than complementary comments offend all of us southpaws. I consider myself to be a rightwing southpaw. I can use a right hand sicciors and have an advantage on SxS and O/U shotguns in that the layout of the triggers favor someone that is lefthanded.
So ya'll have a great day and sorry for stealing the post with my rant. TTT
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