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Post by Sasquatch on May 24, 2022 19:37:00 GMT -5
Hooray for a school shooting, CNN must be thinking. With Ukraine stalemated they were running out of distractions. They almost had to cover gas prices and other inflation.
The gun banner grandstanding in congress should be off the chain as well.
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Post by BOBinIN on May 25, 2022 5:32:21 GMT -5
Kind of COLD!
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Post by Sasquatch on May 25, 2022 6:42:52 GMT -5
I think this is as bad as anyone. What I'm saying is the tragedy will be used for political grandstanding and to push more gun laws and take the focus off everything else that is going on. Not to mention I'm absolutely convinced the incessant media coverage prompts other disturbed individuals to do the same thing. There will be more.
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Post by 1ranger49 on May 25, 2022 6:57:44 GMT -5
Hooray for a school shooting, CNN must be thinking. With Ukraine stalemated they were running out of distractions. They almost had to cover gas prices and other inflation. The gun banner grandstanding in congress should be off the chain as well. I'm sure the family's that are going through this loss of their small innocent children would feel the same way as your statement. Man, your heart must run cold. I'm for the 2nd amendment rights, but there should be more done then just the same ole, same ole "Thoughts and Prayers"
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Post by Sasquatch on May 25, 2022 7:15:32 GMT -5
Hooray for a school shooting, CNN must be thinking. With Ukraine stalemated they were running out of distractions. They almost had to cover gas prices and other inflation. The gun banner grandstanding in congress should be off the chain as well. I'm sure the family's that are going through this loss of their small innocent children would feel the same way as your statement. Man, your heart must run cold. I'm for the 2nd amendment rights, but there should be more done then just the same ole, same ole "Thoughts and Prayers" Dude, this is the POLITICAL section of the forum! It is for POLITICAL discourse. My point is that this horrible tragedy will be used for political gain, not that it wasn't terrible beyond belief. Reactions like yours are why sensible people clam up and won't respond to all the political grandstanding going on. Using dead kids to push gun control is despicable and I won't be intimidated into not pointing it out. Attacking prayer to push gun control is cold, if you want my opinion.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 25, 2022 7:39:10 GMT -5
Yes, this will be campaign fodder for the Democrats. Biden proved that with his speech. After about 20 seconds of condolences he launched into Democrat gun control talking points with lots of shouting and animation. Firing up the base…
Instead of trying to protect kids with good ideas it is all “let’s take away rights from law abiding citizens”.
Congress appropriated $350 billion for Covid in schools. Only 90% of that has been spent. That money should be reappropriated to pay for some meaningful school security.
If we can not agree to protect our most vulnerable then shame on us..
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Post by Woody Williams on May 25, 2022 7:47:06 GMT -5
BTW - it’s getting old watching the president of the USA on TV using God’s name in vain…
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Post by bill9068 on May 25, 2022 8:02:45 GMT -5
The shooter’s name is Salvador Ramos. Looks to be Mexican or South American. They by now know his intentions and political views but we have heard nothing which tells me it doesn’t fit the narrative they wanted. These nutcases go into gun free zone and slaughter innocent children. We need armed guards at every school along with trained armed willing teachers.
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Post by greghopper on May 25, 2022 8:15:25 GMT -5
The shooter’s name is Salvador Ramos. Looks to be Mexican or South American. They by now know his intentions and political views but we have heard nothing which tells me it doesn’t fit the narrative they wanted. These nutcases go into gun free zone and slaughter innocent children. We need armed guards at every school along with trained armed willing teachers. Yes … without proper police training teachers shouldn’t carry in school. Protecting yourself and family is one thing but protecting the general public is another.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 25, 2022 8:24:33 GMT -5
The shooter’s name is Salvador Ramos. Looks to be Mexican or South American. They by now know his intentions and political views but we have heard nothing which tells me it doesn’t fit the narrative they wanted. These nutcases go into gun free zone and slaughter innocent children. We need armed guards at every school along with trained armed willing teachers. Yes … without proper police training teachers shouldn’t carry in school. Protecting yourself and family is one thing but protecting the general public is another. For 8+ hours a day those kids are “family” to the teachers. Yes, teachers would need extensive firearm and situational awareness training and I’m ok with that requirement. Just the fact that a perp would know that some teachers are armed and trained to shoot back would be a deterrent. There is a reason that these people select gun free zones to shoot up versus gun stores and police stations.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 25, 2022 8:26:57 GMT -5
Bill,
He is supposedly an American citizen. Lots of Hispanics in this area and a lot of of 3rd or 4th generation Americans.
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Post by bill9068 on May 25, 2022 8:27:39 GMT -5
The shooter’s name is Salvador Ramos. Looks to be Mexican or South American. They by now know his intentions and political views but we have heard nothing which tells me it doesn’t fit the narrative they wanted. These nutcases go into gun free zone and slaughter innocent children. We need armed guards at every school along with trained armed willing teachers. Yes … without proper police training teachers shouldn’t carry in school. Protecting yourself and family is one thing but protecting the general public is another. There’s not much to train a competent adult to use a firearm. Explain the law and liability issues then range time to familiarize yourself to the weapon. A revolver is the safest choice even for experienced shooters. Tell no one but the school principal who is carrying as not to warn any potential student shooter.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 25, 2022 8:35:43 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on May 25, 2022 8:37:32 GMT -5
So when the shooting starts how would a LEO know who is good or bad or just another person with a gun?
Teachers with guns in schools should carry a Badge IMO
Not all school shooting happen in class rooms many happen in hallways and general use areas from my understanding.
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Post by bill9068 on May 25, 2022 8:56:33 GMT -5
Having been in a couple of shooting situations I can tell you that things are confusing and in my case were set in slow motion. Usually by the time law enforcement arrives there is a somewhat idea who the shooter is, a teacher would know immediately being in the building. I’m not suggesting a teacher go out looking for the shooter unless we’ll trained in cover and concealment, his/her job would be to protect the students in their charge in the vicinity of the classroom they teach in. There is no easy answer to the problem, ideally keep them outside of the school first and foremost.
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Post by 1ranger49 on May 25, 2022 9:07:22 GMT -5
Okay, since you brought up as this is a political section, I label myself as a independent, not left or right.
I'm just saying that both sides of the aisle should be able to work on a solution than just my way or the highway. It's reached a point if they even want to work on a bi-partisan agenda, it goes nowhere. They can't be seen working with the other side.
I have two daughters-in-law who are teachers, and three of my grand kids that are the same age as the ones who lost their lives, so I can certainly understand what they deal with each and every day at school.
Words from our daughter-ion-law.
Praying with all that I have within me for these precious families and this grieving community. My heart is so heavy. I can’t even put into words what I’m feeling. The fear of a situation like this constantly resides inside your brain and heart as a teacher. Every. Single. Day. Every time you move a table in your classroom, you think… how would this impact our exit plan or lockdown drill? You feel the weight of the world every time you have to try and explain to 5 year olds why we have to practice hiding silently in our classroom bathroom during drills, desperately seeking a way to communicate the seriousness of the situation without striking fear in their little hearts. I would DO ANYTHING and EVERYTHING humanly possible to protect my students no matter what the cost. I love them with my entire soul. ❤️ I am sure the teachers in those Texas classrooms today felt the exact same way. My heart aches for the teachers, students, parents, and community that were impacted by today’s events. Praying for God to wrap His loving arms around these families… and offer the rest of us guidance, clarity, and perseverance in seeking to find a way to stop these senseless acts of hate.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 25, 2022 9:26:12 GMT -5
Thank you 1ranger49 for posting your daughter in law’s words.
I’m sure she is echoing the words of a lot of teachers throughout this land.
Our politicians (on both sides) are failing our kids.
There is no way any school in the country should be a soft target for these crazies.
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Post by jjas on May 25, 2022 10:17:59 GMT -5
Yes … without proper police training teachers shouldn’t carry in school. Protecting yourself and family is one thing but protecting the general public is another. For 8+ hours a day those kids are “family” to the teachers. Yes, teachers would need extensive firearm and situational awareness training and I’m ok with that requirement. Just the fact that a perp would know that some teachers are armed and trained to shoot back would be a deterrent. There is a reason that these people select gun free zones to shoot up versus gun stores and police stations. Woody, I have to disagree with you. While many of these shooters come out of this alive, I think the vast majority of the people who commit these crimes figure going in that they have little chance of survival.
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Post by jjas on May 25, 2022 10:22:01 GMT -5
bill9068
That sounds all fine and good, but even seasoned police officers struggle in stressful situations like this and make the wrong decisions @ times. Asking a teacher with "some" training to take that on is (IMO) asking way too much of teachers and will likely end up with an innocent person and perhaps the teacher being killed.
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Post by Sasquatch on May 25, 2022 10:37:48 GMT -5
My reply to the " omg teachers with guns" pearl clutching is the same Woody's. If the softness of the target is not a consideration of the attacker, why do mass shooters never attack gun ranges? Or police stations? It's always schools or stores. Teachers willing to be armed should be. (Sure, training requirements, fine, if it could satisfy doubters.You can't teach 'cool under pressure ' anyway, and that's the nitty gritty) As to the " collateral damage" argument, it's difficult to think this way but one child hurt and a dozen or more saved in a gunfight with the perp? What if it's my kid? Food for thought. Arm willing teachers!
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