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Post by Sasquatch on Mar 11, 2022 1:10:19 GMT -5
It is often correctly pointed out to critics of anything that "You're not an expert in that field so be quiet..."
But this whole Russian tactics thing. You don't need potty training, much less any other kind of training, to see these problems. What the heck?
THE CONVOY: Sure, I liked that 70's movie that used to play om channel 4 all the time, but gee whizz. I get that it's muddy. I get that you might want to use existing roads. But to pack military vehicles nearly bumper to bumper for days? Enemy-concealing cover on both sides of the road. The convoy's absurd length.
The Russians had better be glad the Ukrainians are light on air power. A-10 pilots probably dream about this kind of thing at night.
THE APPARENT LACK OF LOGISTICAL PLANNING: You are planning to invade a country you share a border with, and you have months and even years to get ready, yet you can't get gas and food to the troops?? It's not like they had to fly everything in a zillion miles away, like we did with Afghanistan. The place is literally next door. YOU CAN DRIVE THERE.
RELUCTANCE ( OR INABILITY ) TO USE AIR POWER: It seems to me that they don't want to risk their jets for fear of all the stingers hanging around, or some other reason. At this point the Ukrainians should not have any vehicles left in one piece. Maybe the Russians are trying and are so inept or are being tore up so badly that they are losing?
NO FREEDOM TO REACT INDEPENDENTLY; I have read that traditionally at least, Russian doctrine does not encourage reactionary decision-making within a broader framework like Western armies. You can sure as hell tell it! Take the convoy deal. you know that not all the Rooskies are morons; someone had to have thought "you know, we should move off the road....maybe into the trees RIGHT NEXT TO IT?" Yet it didn't happen for days. DAYS. Ridiculous.
PAINTING "Z" ON EVERYTHING. Z is not a Cyrillic letter, and it has a meaning beyond the practical for them. I think it basically means "Go team Rooskie." Imagine you are a Ukrainian crouching in the bushes near a contested stretch of road with your fancy bazooka. Here come a vehicle lumbering down the road. It's dusk and the two armies have very similar vehicles. Oh look, THERE IS A GIANT ****ING "Z" painted on it. Bingo!
I knew they would be a sort of slower, even lumbering force compared to a Western Army. But nothing this bad. I get the slow pace once they are in the city going house to house. Anyone is going to have a rough time at that. But the rest is a joke. They even tried to land two giant planes full of troops at the airport outside of Kiev! Both shot down. How are generals and colonels getting shot so frequently? Are they walking around dressed as such, like in the 18th century? Imagine if tiny Israel was next door instead of Ukraine. If nukes were a non-factor the Jews would have been in the Kremlin using Putin's tea service by day three.
What do y'all think? Is it that Pooty thought it would be over real fast? Is it a purged, idiotic command staff--similar to what Stalin did to the Red Army in the 40's?
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Post by span870 on Mar 11, 2022 4:25:57 GMT -5
Two thoughts.
Read several places that Russian troops captured stated that they were under the impression that they were involved in training exercises and weren't told they were involved in a full fledged invasion.
2nd. I'm wondering if the west was fairly well duped into the belief that the Russia military was more powerful and well trained than it actually is. I get that the Ukraine I fighting for their very freedom but c'mon. It be compared to Rhode Island shutting down the whole United States military. Maybe the Russian threat is more inclined to be through cyber means and that's where they spent most of their training. Did we get brainwashed to believe the Russian military is more than what it is. At this point I can't believe it would take more than the coast guard reserves to stop a full fledged invasion on our soil.
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Post by welder on Mar 11, 2022 5:33:34 GMT -5
Two thoughts. Read several places that Russian troops captured stated that they were under the impression that they were involved in training exercises and weren't told they were involved in a full fledged invasion. 2nd. I'm wondering if the west was fairly well duped into the belief that the Russia military was more powerful and well trained than it actually is. I get that the Ukraine I fighting for their very freedom but c'mon. It be compared to Rhode Island shutting down the whole United States military. Maybe the Russian threat is more inclined to be through cyber means and that's where they spent most of their training. Did we get brainwashed to believe the Russian military is more than what it is. At this point I can't believe it would take more than the coast guard reserves to stop a full fledged invasion on our soil. I agree! |
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Post by span870 on Mar 11, 2022 5:58:48 GMT -5
On further thought something just isn't right here. Upon first couple of days of the invasion, Ukraine and Russia opened negotiations. Ukraine said they would concede to Russian initial demands of not nato and to be neutral. Russia at that time turned down the offer. This leaves Russia with the only option and that is 100% success.
Now Russian military vehicles have all but been stuck in a convoy with all but no escape. Where are the surface to surface missles? Where are the air strikes? Why isn't this being exploited? This isn't Afghanistan where the US and allies are dumping billions of dollars into arming, and yes helping, the Afghans fight the Russian invasion. This is little ol Ukraine backing down one of the top 3 super powers in the world. Maybe not winning but definitely a stalemate. What else is going on here?
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Post by welder on Mar 11, 2022 6:24:27 GMT -5
On further thought something just isn't right here. Upon first couple of days of the invasion, Ukraine and Russia opened negotiations. Ukraine said they would concede to Russian initial demands of not nato and to be neutral. Russia at that time turned down the offer. This leaves Russia with the only option and that is 100% success. Now Russian military vehicles have all but been stuck in a convoy with all but no escape. Where are the surface to surface missles? Where are the air strikes? Why isn't this being exploited? This isn't Afghanistan where the US and allies are dumping billions of dollars into arming, and yes helping, the Afghans fight the Russian invasion. This is little ol Ukraine backing down one of the top 3 super powers in the world. Maybe not winning but definitely a stalemate. What else is going on here? IMO, we're definitely NOT getting the whole story. If we learned anything from COVID,it should be that we cannot believe/trust the media. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 7:16:53 GMT -5
Two thoughts. Read several places that Russian troops captured stated that they were under the impression that they were involved in training exercises and weren't told they were involved in a full fledged invasion. 2nd. I'm wondering if the west was fairly well duped into the belief that the Russia military was more powerful and well trained than it actually is. I get that the Ukraine I fighting for their very freedom but c'mon. It be compared to Rhode Island shutting down the whole United States military. Maybe the Russian threat is more inclined to be through cyber means and that's where they spent most of their training. Did we get brainwashed to believe the Russian military is more than what it is. At this point I can't believe it would take more than the coast guard reserves to stop a full fledged invasion on our soil. I would agree but also add that I believe they underestimated Ukraine. Ukraine has a standing military of 200k (not counting the reserves and civilians it mobilized). They have modern anti air and anti tank weapons, not just modern but top of the line. And they're fighting on their home turf. As for the lack of air and misses that someone mentioned: I read that there have been 35ish Russian planes/jets shot down, that's costly especially if they are modern fighters which are in low quantity. As for the misses, I read that after Syria Russia wasn't able to restock all of their smart munitions, guided missiles etc. That being said they are using what they have but not using too much in the way of unguided munitions to reduce civilian casualties. Russia may be Russia but they know there is a line with the international community. |
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Post by span870 on Mar 11, 2022 8:03:46 GMT -5
Two thoughts. Read several places that Russian troops captured stated that they were under the impression that they were involved in training exercises and weren't told they were involved in a full fledged invasion. 2nd. I'm wondering if the west was fairly well duped into the belief that the Russia military was more powerful and well trained than it actually is. I get that the Ukraine I fighting for their very freedom but c'mon. It be compared to Rhode Island shutting down the whole United States military. Maybe the Russian threat is more inclined to be through cyber means and that's where they spent most of their training. Did we get brainwashed to believe the Russian military is more than what it is. At this point I can't believe it would take more than the coast guard reserves to stop a full fledged invasion on our soil. I would agree but also add that I believe they underestimated Ukraine. Ukraine has a standing military of 200k (not counting the reserves and civilians it mobilized). They have modern anti air and anti tank weapons, not just modern but top of the line. And they're fighting on their home turf. As for the lack of air and misses that someone mentioned: I read that there have been 35ish Russian planes/jets shot down, that's costly especially if they are modern fighters which are in low quantity. As for the misses, I read that after Syria Russia wasn't able to restock all of their smart munitions, guided missiles etc. That being said they are using what they have but not using too much in the way of unguided munitions to reduce civilian casualties. Russia may be Russia but they know there is a line with the international community. I'll agree with the statement that they may have underestimated Ukraine but why isn't Ukraine bombing the convoy? They are sitting ducks. I'm sure they have air support but a mass bombing not only would destroy much of the convoy but the main road. Then you see leaked videos from the Ukraine public where they drive upon Russian tanks or convoys and are having deep conversations with them regarding the invasion. It's literally like war games and no one is truly trying to win. That or both sides are trying their best not to escalate it farther than what it is. I get that on the Russian side but Ukraine was invaded and doesn't really seem to be taking common sense approaches to beat back the Russians |
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Post by jman46151 on Mar 11, 2022 8:47:47 GMT -5
Ukraine doesn't have a ton of resources. They are purposefully limiting the time in the air for their Migs to try to keep them all in good shape. I also think they are holding back and stashing weapons in Kyiv in order to defend it better once the Russians decide to fully attack.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 9:38:44 GMT -5
I would agree but also add that I believe they underestimated Ukraine. Ukraine has a standing military of 200k (not counting the reserves and civilians it mobilized). They have modern anti air and anti tank weapons, not just modern but top of the line. And they're fighting on their home turf. As for the lack of air and misses that someone mentioned: I read that there have been 35ish Russian planes/jets shot down, that's costly especially if they are modern fighters which are in low quantity. As for the misses, I read that after Syria Russia wasn't able to restock all of their smart munitions, guided missiles etc. That being said they are using what they have but not using too much in the way of unguided munitions to reduce civilian casualties. Russia may be Russia but they know there is a line with the international community. I'll agree with the statement that they may have underestimated Ukraine but why isn't Ukraine bombing the convoy? They are sitting ducks. I'm sure they have air support but a mass bombing not only would destroy much of the convoy but the main road. Then you see leaked videos from the Ukraine public where they drive upon Russian tanks or convoys and are having deep conversations with them regarding the invasion. It's literally like war games and no one is truly trying to win. That or both sides are trying their best not to escalate it farther than what it is. I get that on the Russian side but Ukraine was invaded and doesn't really seem to be taking common sense approaches to beat back the Russians I dont believe they have a lot in the way of power projection. I have seen some videos where drones are hitting the convoy, so some damage is being caused. Obviously something is being done because the convoy was halted in the first place. |
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Post by Sasquatch on Mar 11, 2022 22:19:44 GMT -5
Two thoughts. Read several places that Russian troops captured stated that they were under the impression that they were involved in training exercises and weren't told they were involved in a full fledged invasion. 2nd. I'm wondering if the west was fairly well duped into the belief that the Russia military was more powerful and well trained than it actually is. I get that the Ukraine I fighting for their very freedom but c'mon. It be compared to Rhode Island shutting down the whole United States military. Maybe the Russian threat is more inclined to be through cyber means and that's where they spent most of their training. Did we get brainwashed to believe the Russian military is more than what it is. At this point I can't believe it would take more than the coast guard reserves to stop a full fledged invasion on our soil. While it's dangerous to underestimate anyone, I think you're right in that the capability of Russian conventional forces has been oversold. |
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Post by stevein on Mar 12, 2022 14:36:33 GMT -5
It kind looks like how our Army is ran. Only difference we would be seeing combat footage of pinpoint laser guided bombs and missiles taking out the enemy.
Send the officers to the best schools. Give them lots of training. Let them learn leadership.
Then the politicians tell them how to run the war. The only advantage I see the Russians have over the Americans is they do not have to contend with a free press.
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