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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 25, 2021 13:04:08 GMT -5
I have been saving Bass Pro Shop gift cards through work these do not expire and they are basically "atta boys" for doing jobs other people don't want to do. I have compiled quite a few and would like to buy a new shotgun, I really like the Benelli SBE but do they cycle lighter loads as well as duck and goose loads? Being inertia driven I would think they are easier to clean than gas. As most of you know I've been an 870 guy forever. I'd like to be able to shoot dove loads as well as waterfowl. I do not intend to use this for a deer gun. Am I asking too much? I'd like to stay under $2000 but would go a little higher if need be. I've not quite saved that much but I've got a good start.
Thanks for your input.
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Post by esshup on Dec 25, 2021 19:48:37 GMT -5
Yes, they cycle all loads, and you can put them all in the magazine at the same time and all will cycle.
My next shotgun will be a SBE.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 25, 2021 22:52:17 GMT -5
Ok so is there a model you have your eye on? It seems there are different "grades" to the SBE. I'm not going to lie, I am rough on guns, I don't care what they look like as long as they work when I ask them to. When you say they cycle them all are you saying 2 3/4, 3, and 3 1/2?
Thank you for the info!
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Post by esshup on Dec 26, 2021 3:25:02 GMT -5
Yes, when I say cycle them all, I mean from a 3 dram 1 1/8 oz 2 3/4" shell to a heavy turkey load 3 1/2" shell. You can have all 3 in the magazine and it will shoot/cycle them all without taking the gun apart and flipping the inertia ring like in some semi-auto's.
28" barrel, I really don't know the difference between the Model No 10316 or the 12102. The different model numbers basically denote stock and metal parts finish. Basically I would get one that has the drilled and tapped receiver (for use of a red dot if turkey hunting), 28" barrel and then use the shims that come with it to fit the gun to shoot where I am looking. You don't use the sights on the shotgun when wing shooting, you focus on the bird. If the shotgun shoots where you are looking you can shoot just as good with absolutely no sights on the gun as with the fancy "Tru Glow" sights.
The 28" barrel vs the 26" barrel gives you a bit more fps a more complete powder burn when using heavy magnum loads with slower burning powder. The longer barrel won't hurt you at all with gun swing speed, I have run the skeet field shooting a 30" barrel Over/under.
The parts are cryogenecially (cryo) treated which helps improve wearability and there is less metal movement between cold to hot.
I like pretty guns, but I have no problem with using a gun that has a black synthetic stock and a black barrel - function over looks for hunting.
The SBE III is supposed to have a bigger loading port, bolt release button and safety for guys that hunt wearing gloves. I wouldn't be surprised if the trigger guard with a hair bigger too. (not sure on that part)
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Post by titanium700 on Dec 26, 2021 8:57:55 GMT -5
It is.
I got the sbe3 and like above I haven’t found a load it won’t cycle.
They’re the best sbe yet.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 26, 2021 11:03:06 GMT -5
Thanks guys this helps a lot!
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Post by greghopper on Dec 26, 2021 11:10:10 GMT -5
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 26, 2021 12:17:12 GMT -5
Do they take BPS gift cards? |
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Post by greghopper on Dec 26, 2021 12:20:00 GMT -5
Do they take BPS gift cards? Not sure....I forgot that part....never hurts to ask I guess! |
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Post by titanium700 on Dec 26, 2021 12:32:18 GMT -5
Haha.
I seriously doubt they do.
That’s how I got mine.
I had a ton load of gift cards along with some cabelas points and added a little cash to get it.
One problem I found with mine though was it shot a bit high for my liking.
About 11” at 30 yds to be exact.
I did the stock fitting and tightened down the barrel ring and got it to about 4” high at same distance.
Much happier now and I absolutely love the gun.
At first I didn’t care how it looked compares to the previous Sbe’s but now that I’ve had had it a few years it grew on me.
Now I like it way better.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 26, 2021 13:56:38 GMT -5
Haha. I seriously doubt they do. That’s how I got mine. I had a ton load of gift cards along with some cabelas points and added a little cash to get it. One problem I found with mine though was it shot a bit high for my liking. About 11” at 30 yds to be exact. I did the stock fitting and tightened down the barrel ring and got it to about 4” high at same distance. Much happier now and I absolutely love the gun. At first I didn’t care how it looked compares to the previous Sbe’s but now that I’ve had had it a few years it grew on me. Now I like it way better. Just curious, how do you aim or use your bead? If I'm shooting trap for instance and the clay is moving directly away frm me I want my bead and the clay to look like a figure 8, the top circle being the clay and the bottom being my bead. If you do this are you still shooting high? |
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Post by featherduster on Dec 26, 2021 16:22:26 GMT -5
I own 2 Super Black Eagle II's, they are a very nice gun and very reliable.
You can use the gun all season with just minimal regular cleaning however if you are going to use it hard all season I would recommend a good deep cleaning and most importantly a good lubrication to the springs and interior slide areas when your done.
I had a part failure on one of them, Benelli stood behind it and replaced the part.
They will cycle all sizes of ammo however cheaper low brass target loads may cause some problems especially on a new and tight gun.
As far as aiming the gun you are provided with stock shims that you can add if you want to improve your aim point.
That being said Super Black Eagles are top shelve guns but they are quite "salty" Take a look at STOEGER shotguns and you will be surprised at who manufactures them at a much easier cost to swallow.
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Post by titanium700 on Dec 26, 2021 18:52:25 GMT -5
Haha. I seriously doubt they do. That’s how I got mine. I had a ton load of gift cards along with some cabelas points and added a little cash to get it. One problem I found with mine though was it shot a bit high for my liking. About 11” at 30 yds to be exact. I did the stock fitting and tightened down the barrel ring and got it to about 4” high at same distance. Much happier now and I absolutely love the gun. At first I didn’t care how it looked compares to the previous Sbe’s but now that I’ve had had it a few years it grew on me. Now I like it way better. Just curious, how do you aim or use your bead? If I'm shooting trap for instance and the clay is moving directly away frm me I want my bead and the clay to look like a figure 8, the top circle being the clay and the bottom being my bead. If you do this are you still shooting high? I patterned offhand at 30 yds with #7 shot. Took 3 shots at same point of aim drew a circle around the tightest group of pellets measured that to my aiming point. Came at 11” high when I first got it. After playing with it I got it down to a consistent 4” high. I don’t use the gun for clays as much but waterfowl. I will say though last fall we had a big get together at my property and shot hundreds of rounds at clays and most everyone who used my shotgun hit most of the time, unless they were totally off target which you could see when the swarm of pellets went past the clay. |
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Post by titanium700 on Dec 26, 2021 18:53:17 GMT -5
Also I put my front bead directly behind my center bead.
Kinda like the moon crossing in front of the sun.
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Post by esshup on Dec 26, 2021 23:58:11 GMT -5
Haha. I seriously doubt they do. That’s how I got mine. I had a ton load of gift cards along with some cabelas points and added a little cash to get it. One problem I found with mine though was it shot a bit high for my liking. About 11” at 30 yds to be exact. I did the stock fitting and tightened down the barrel ring and got it to about 4” high at same distance. Much happier now and I absolutely love the gun. At first I didn’t care how it looked compares to the previous Sbe’s but now that I’ve had had it a few years it grew on me. Now I like it way better. Just curious, how do you aim or use your bead? If I'm shooting trap for instance and the clay is moving directly away frm me I want my bead and the clay to look like a figure 8, the top circle being the clay and the bottom being my bead. If you do this are you still shooting high? It all depends on how you like to shoot. Me personally, I like to see the bird/clay, so my O/U shoots 60/40. Meaning 60% of the pattern is above the beads if they are behind one another. If you have it so the beads are behind each other and the pattern is centered, then the bird is covered by the bead. Realistically, you go to a pattern board, put a dot of paint in the center, look at that dot, throw the gun up to your shoulder and pull the trigger when the gun touches your shoulder. THEN go look at the pattern. If it's high, then adjust the stock lower. Like I said before, you cannot focus on the bead(s) AND the bird at the same time. You will be a much better shooter if you learn to shoot without the sights on the gun. I have them on mine, but I never look at them. Here's a drill for you to do to improve your gun mount. Make sure the gun is unloaded. Put a AA battery mini-mag light in the barrel,with the beam as tight as possible. Inside the house, point the light at the corner of the wall/ceiling where all 3 come together. Now bring the gun up to your face/shoulder while not moving the light from that corner. Do that 50x a night and then stop. Once you can do that consistently, start at one corner of the room, move the gun along that "seam" as you bring the gun to your face/shoulder. Again, 50x a night and once you can keep that smooth and straight then try to focus on the corner of the room, close your eyes and mount the gun. When your head/shoulder hits the stock, open your eyes and see where the light is pointing. When you do this drill, your head and shoulder are supposed to be in the position that they will be when the gun touches your shoulder. You DO NOT bring your head down to the stock once the gun is on your shoulder. Your face should touch the stock the exact same time the stock touches your shoulder. Practice, practice, practice. Once you have your gun mount down pat THEN go shoot some clay birds. Doing that will help stop you from developing bad habits when mounting your gun, and won't cost you more than a few AA batteries. I did it with real shells and if I didn't reload AND wasn't able to buy the components at wholesale price, I wouldn't have been able to afford it. I was shooting between 20,000 and 25,000 rounds a year... I went and took classes from Gil and Vicki Ash, John Kruger and a few others. I was paying $11.00/bag of shot. That's about 355 shells per bag @ 1 1/8oz per shell. |
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 27, 2021 5:18:52 GMT -5
Just curious, how do you aim or use your bead? If I'm shooting trap for instance and the clay is moving directly away frm me I want my bead and the clay to look like a figure 8, the top circle being the clay and the bottom being my bead. If you do this are you still shooting high? It all depends on how you like to shoot. Me personally, I like to see the bird/clay, so my O/U shoots 60/40. Meaning 60% of the pattern is above the beads if they are behind one another. If you have it so the beads are behind each other and the pattern is centered, then the bird is covered by the bead. Realistically, you go to a pattern board, put a dot of paint in the center, look at that dot, throw the gun up to your shoulder and pull the trigger when the gun touches your shoulder. THEN go look at the pattern. If it's high, then adjust the stock lower. Like I said before, you cannot focus on the bead(s) AND the bird at the same time. You will be a much better shooter if you learn to shoot without the sights on the gun. I have them on mine, but I never look at them. Here's a drill for you to do to improve your gun mount. Make sure the gun is unloaded. Put a AA battery mini-mag light in the barrel,with the beam as tight as possible. Inside the house, point the light at the corner of the wall/ceiling where all 3 come together. Now bring the gun up to your face/shoulder while not moving the light from that corner. Do that 50x a night and then stop. Once you can do that consistently, start at one corner of the room, move the gun along that "seam" as you bring the gun to your face/shoulder. Again, 50x a night and once you can keep that smooth and straight then try to focus on the corner of the room, close your eyes and mount the gun. When your head/shoulder hits the stock, open your eyes and see where the light is pointing. When you do this drill, your head and shoulder are supposed to be in the position that they will be when the gun touches your shoulder. You DO NOT bring your head down to the stock once the gun is on your shoulder. Your face should touch the stock the exact same time the stock touches your shoulder. Practice, practice, practice. Once you have your gun mount down pat THEN go shoot some clay birds. Doing that will help stop you from developing bad habits when mounting your gun, and won't cost you more than a few AA batteries. I did it with real shells and if I didn't reload AND wasn't able to buy the components at wholesale price, I wouldn't have been able to afford it. I was shooting between 20,000 and 25,000 rounds a year... I went and took classes from Gil and Vicki Ash, John Kruger and a few others. I was paying $11.00/bag of shot. That's about 355 shells per bag @ 1 1/8oz per shell. Would the result of this drill change from wearing a t shirt (dove season) to wearing an extra layer (upland game) to wearing a heavy coat (waterfowl)? These drills are probably exactly what I need to be doing just wondering how those things would change point of aim? |
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Post by span870 on Dec 27, 2021 6:06:37 GMT -5
I have been saving Bass Pro Shop gift cards through work these do not expire and they are basically "atta boys" for doing jobs other people don't want to do. I have compiled quite a few and would like to buy a new shotgun, I really like the Benelli SBE but do they cycle lighter loads as well as duck and goose loads? Being inertia driven I would think they are easier to clean than gas. As most of you know I've been an 870 guy forever. I'd like to be able to shoot dove loads as well as waterfowl. I do not intend to use this for a deer gun. Am I asking too much? I'd like to stay under $2000 but would go a little higher if need be. I've not quite saved that much but I've got a good start. Thanks for your input. Just curious. Are you stuck on the sbe or would you be interested in another model of benelli? Say a pretty one. Asking for a friend |
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 27, 2021 9:27:38 GMT -5
Not completely stuck, what did your friend have in mind?
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Post by jman46151 on Dec 27, 2021 11:15:03 GMT -5
I own 2 Super Black Eagle II's, they are a very nice gun and very reliable. You can use the gun all season with just minimal regular cleaning however if you are going to use it hard all season I would recommend a good deep cleaning and most importantly a good lubrication to the springs and interior slide areas when your done. I had a part failure on one of them, Benelli stood behind it and replaced the part. They will cycle all sizes of ammo however cheaper low brass target loads may cause some problems especially on a new and tight gun. As far as aiming the gun you are provided with stock shims that you can add if you want to improve your aim point. That being said Super Black Eagles are top shelve guns but they are quite "salty" Take a look at STOEGER shotguns and you will be surprised at who manufactures them at a much easier cost to swallow. Absolutely love my SBE2. I've only had one load that it wouldn't cycle and it was a really light Fiocchi trap load. |
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Post by esshup on Dec 27, 2021 12:24:48 GMT -5
Would the result of this drill change from wearing a t shirt (dove season) to wearing an extra layer (upland game) to wearing a heavy coat (waterfowl)? These drills are probably exactly what I need to be doing just wondering how those things would change point of aim? It depends, but most likely yes. And that is just because of the stock design. If the stock has more drop at the heel than the drop is at the comb, AND you didn't put your face on the stock at the same place every time, then yes. There are ways to change this. 1) Use a thicker recoil pad during dove season than waterfowl season. Thinner pad in the winter to make the length of pull the same. 2) Have an adjustable cheek piece so that the top of the comb is parallel with the centerline of the bore. That way no matter where your face is on the stock you will have the same eye to bore relationship. Even if you are shooting during the summer with a T-Shirt on, your face can be on a different part of the stock. If you are shooting straight your face is on "X" part of the stock. If you are shooting with the gun pointing up as if a bird is flying overhead, your face will on a different part of the stock. Ideally the comb should be parallel with the centerline of the bore, that is why they make stocks with an adjustable cheekpiece. The other thing that you can do is exactly what you do when you are bow hunting. Bend at the waist to move the gun up and down, but that is harder to train your body to do. If the gun has a QuadraFit stock, then you can adjust it. www.benelliusa.com/resources/quadrafitOn my Citori O/U I had a Soft Touch Recoil Reduction system added to the wood stock, and at the same time I had the 4 way adjustable comb added. www.softtouchstocks.com/index.php Supposedly they can do that adjustable comb on the SBE. On another gun I just had the adjustable comb added. The gunsmith just bought the hardware from Graco and did it. graco-corp.com/product-category/adjustable-comb-hardware/If a person adds or loses weight, then the cast off/cast on will change, depending on how "fat" their face gets. If you find yourself having to scrunch your head down to get it on the stock, you can add a Jones Anyway Stock Adjuster: www.recoil-less.com/products.php?cat=1 or one from Graco (see link above). The downside to that is the higher the centerline of the bore is above the centerline of the butt pad, the more the gun will want to recoil upwards when it is fired. It will want to pivot up around the point of contact between your shoulder and the butt pad. That is why when shooting an O/U shotgun, you shoot the bottom barrel first. |
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