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Post by esshup on Dec 4, 2021 21:48:34 GMT -5
I added the muzzlebrake this year so I had to get 'er sighted in. This is my poor man's version of a Lead Sled.  Here's the first target @ 100 Yds. After some screwing around I got it on "paper". I had removed the scope and added the muzzlebrake since last year. So, it was time to get it sighted back in. Top bullet hole was after I got it on paper, bottom bullet hole was after adjusting the scope down, center hole is where I left it at after adjusting it up. The little holes are supposed to be a 3 shot group from my .308. I have no idea where the 3rd bullet went, it must have gone thru one of the bigger holes cleanly. No way it missed the target, the backer board was about 3' wide and 4' tall....... The hole to the right of the Shoot N See target in the cardboard backer was there before I started shooting.  Here's the 200 yd target. The little hole is from the .243. I held 5.5" high, or right at the top of the paper.  Here's the FPS @ 10' from the muzzle. I figured the 5th shot would be faster, it seemed tighter.  Here's the 300g Pittman Aeromax that I am using. It is a lot easier to get down the bore than the sabots that I was using.  They have some harder bullets available, I will order a box and see how they perform on deer. This one is pretty explosive, so I have to be really careful where I put the bullet if I want to save meat. |
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Post by kicker on Dec 5, 2021 10:45:31 GMT -5
Are you shooting smokeless muzzleloader.
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Post by deadeer on Dec 5, 2021 20:44:48 GMT -5
Are you shooting smokeless muzzleloader. Yes he is. |
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Post by kicker on Dec 6, 2021 13:26:47 GMT -5
Those Pittman Aeromax are like a Battleship Salvo being fired. LOL. I have a Savage ML II and I am shooting 44 grains of 5744 and I use Hornady XTP bullets. Once I got it sighted in, I have never changed loads because it will shoot out to 150 yds. I might have to invest in some of these.
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Post by deadeer on Dec 6, 2021 15:04:52 GMT -5
Those Pittman Aeromax are like a Battleship Salvo being fired. LOL. I have a Savage ML II and I am shooting 44 grains of 5744 and I use Hornady XTP bullets. Once I got it sighted in, I have never changed loads because it will shoot out to 150 yds. I might have to invest in some of these. You dont need those bullets until you are shooting 300yds and beyond. If you are wanting to gain some distance over your current set up, 2 things will get you a LOT better mileage for your money... First, get rid of the AA5744. It is the slowest and dirtiest powder you can use. Switch to VV N110, VV N120, or H4198. Second, just switching to a 300gr FTX alone will gain you about 100yds of usable trajectory over an xtp at the same speed, and more if you go faster. We are shooting 2,700fps range with 300gr bullets. I have shot Parker Match Hunters and Pittman Accumax and still have some, but I now just shoot 300gr sst/ftx and have shot to 400yds in my heavy gun. I have taken a few deer at around 350yds, and one at 385yds. Of course this takes a lot of practice, dedication, and reason to shoot that far. I have a place where the fields are 800yds long with thickets on one end. So sitting at half way, any deer coming out is toast. |
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Post by kicker on Dec 6, 2021 18:36:39 GMT -5
Well I like to shoot long range just never really got into it with my savage. I shoot Black Powder Rifle Cartridge Silhouette @ Friendship couple of times a year, I have A Shiloh Sharps 1874 45-70 shooting 500 grain bullet with 66 grains of Swiss 1.5 Black Powder. As far as long distance smokeless, I typically am using my 7 mm Rem mag, or just now in process of working up a load for Christensen Arms Mesa Long Range in 6.5 PRC. I can shoot 500 plus yds on my farm and well in excess of 700 yds on my in laws. never even thought you could use H4198 in the Savage. I just used the 5744 because that is what I use to shoot my 45-70 smokeless. HMM, time to work up loads so I can shoot past 150 yds. In my eyes, there is nothing better than clanging steel with 45-70 or 22 well past 250 yds. Heck Friendship gun range is 50,100,150,200, 300, 400 and 500. Thanks for the info, I may have some H4198 on hand.
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Post by deadeer on Dec 6, 2021 21:13:29 GMT -5
Well I like to shoot long range just never really got into it with my savage. I shoot Black Powder Rifle Cartridge Silhouette @ Friendship couple of times a year, I have A Shiloh Sharps 1874 45-70 shooting 500 grain bullet with 66 grains of Swiss 1.5 Black Powder. As far as long distance smokeless, I typically am using my 7 mm Rem mag, or just now in process of working up a load for Christensen Arms Mesa Long Range in 6.5 PRC. I can shoot 500 plus yds on my farm and well in excess of 700 yds on my in laws. never even thought you could use H4198 in the Savage. I just used the 5744 because that is what I use to shoot my 45-70 smokeless. HMM, time to work up loads so I can shoot past 150 yds. In my eyes, there is nothing better than clanging steel with 45-70 or 22 well past 250 yds. Heck Friendship gun range is 50,100,150,200, 300, 400 and 500. Thanks for the info, I may have some H4198 on hand. kicker You have half the battle won with being into long range shooting already! Not many are into it. Definately not for everyone. The Savage 50cal leaves a lot to be desired. It can still be a 250-300yd gun if you are lucky enough to have a good barrel on it and patience. We have 45cal PacNor custom barrels on ours, so kinda apples and oranges over a stock gun. But, I have shot thousands of round thru my stock 50 barrel before switching. If you ever want some recipes and guidelines with H4198, pm me and I'd be glad to hook you up. Totally different animal at that point! |
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Post by esshup on Dec 7, 2021 1:05:27 GMT -5
I never got into shooting a muzzleloader because of the cleaning procedure I would have to do. As many days of the year that I hunt, I just couldn't see shooting the load out and cleaning it every day. I bought my first Savage Muzzleloader in 2000 or 2001, it was a Savage ML-I, and it used a module to hold the 209 primer. Still have it, I only used the 250g 45 caliber SST with a sabot. I ran them 2200-2300 fps, never faster because they would blow up and not penetrate as much as I liked. I'd shoot the old IMR 4759 powder in the metal can. When they switched to the plastic cans, they switched formulas a bit and I lost about 200 fps.
I recently helped a neighbors cousin dial in his Savage. He was using 5744. It got to the point where he couldn't push the bullet/sabot down the barrel with the factory ram rod any more - too much resistance. I grabbed some VV-110 and after the first shot the bullets/sabots went down way too easy, almost too easily. I weighed out 7 or 8 loads for him and he's hunting with it now.
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Post by kicker on Dec 7, 2021 12:41:04 GMT -5
Great wealth on information can be found at the following forums. dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/www.longrangeonly.com/forum. For me, once the state allowed high power rifles, I kind of threw my savage to the wayside. I am familiar with pacnor conversions, and I think I will investigate them more. It takes tremendous dedication to see the end result. I have found that out with my 6.5 PRC. In normal years where reloading supplies are prevalent, it wouldn't be an issue. But now powder, primers and rifle match primers are like liquid gold. So, when a load isn't working and you got to start over, you are like damn that is going to leave a mark. LOL |
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Post by esshup on Dec 7, 2021 13:29:38 GMT -5
Great wealth on information can be found at the following forums. dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/www.longrangeonly.com/forum. For me, once the state allowed high power rifles, I kind of threw my savage to the wayside. I am familiar with pacnor conversions, and I think I will investigate them more. It takes tremendous dedication to see the end result. I have found that out with my 6.5 PRC. In normal years where reloading supplies are prevalent, it wouldn't be an issue. But now powder, primers and rifle match primers are like liquid gold. So, when a load isn't working and you got to start over, you are like damn that is going to leave a mark. LOL That is very true, unless you have been thru the 1 or 2 previous ammo/component shortages and saw the light. I was and as well stocked on supplies. I could use a box of 170 ish grain 30 caliber 30-30 bullets. but other than that I think I am set for bullets/primers/powders for a while. I bought a bunch of powder/bullets in December/January last year because I had a feeling that things would turn South regarding components. I guessed correctly. |
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Post by deadeer on Dec 7, 2021 22:35:42 GMT -5
Great wealth on information can be found at the following forums. dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/www.longrangeonly.com/forum. For me, once the state allowed high power rifles, I kind of threw my savage to the wayside. I am familiar with pacnor conversions, and I think I will investigate them more. It takes tremendous dedication to see the end result. I have found that out with my 6.5 PRC. In normal years where reloading supplies are prevalent, it wouldn't be an issue. But now powder, primers and rifle match primers are like liquid gold. So, when a load isn't working and you got to start over, you are like damn that is going to leave a mark. LOL Doug's is dead. Well actually, Edge has been in charge forever, and brow beat many away. He was sick and just recently died, so that forum is slow, has been for a long time. The new place to be is Hanksmessageboards. Everything is modernized now, and you wouldn't even recognize a Savage with 209. They are dinosaurs. Everyone is shooting centerfire actions with locking lugs and large rifle magnum primers. Brux barrels are the new rage, and those guys are shooting deer over 500yds like it's a chip shot. Todays guns more than rival a lot of centerfire cartridges. Enjoy. |
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Post by esshup on Dec 7, 2021 23:55:50 GMT -5
If a .40 caliber muzzleloader was legal I may switch........
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Post by kicker on Dec 8, 2021 13:45:26 GMT -5
Regs just state this:
Muzzleloading Rifle/Shotgun
Barrel caliber: .44” minimum
Bullet diameter: .357” minimum
• powder and bullet loaded from muzzle and single bullet*
• saboted bullets permitted
• multiple barreled guns permitted
* can have powder loaded from the breech end only during the youth and firearms seasons
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Post by deadeer on Dec 9, 2021 6:17:41 GMT -5
Pretty sure next years proposals said 40cal would be in.
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