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Post by onebentarrow on Oct 30, 2020 2:14:45 GMT -5
This thread is ment to be thought provoking not a poke at religion or any ones beliefs.
I have read meny threads on looters and rioters,most state they should be shot(which I do not disagree with) yet we spend hundred of thousands of dollars on premature babys that do not have a chance at a good life,same for keeping old people like me alive when our time is dune and pass laws thak make it illegal to end our own life when we are diagnosed Terminally ill yet if we have an old dog that is sick and dieing we put it down to stop its suffering and say it is humane but we force people to live with pain and suffering and wont let them die and say that is humane. How does that work? How does the pet get more respect for its pain and suffering than I do?
These seem to contradict each other.
Why should we shoot some one for stealing a $50 pair of pants but spend millions on some one that is comatose with no chance to make it with out machines?
Can we not separate reality from fanticey,are we selfish,do we give one person's life more value(money wise) when it fits our narrative?
Do not get me wrong. I despise a thief,fire bug and looters and feel if a city would stand up and shoot some of them the burning and looting would stop. Only problem I see with this is the legal system that has been construed to protect the criminal than the rightest.
I would give you the shirt of my back if you were down on your luck and needed it but if you were a lowlife,lazy,government subsidized thug l would not pee on you if you were on fire yet I have compassion for the frail and sick and respect for any one that wants to go on at any cost or die before their body gives out.
Well, these are some of my thoughts and wanderings.
What is a life worth? What do you think?
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Post by Ahawkeye on Oct 30, 2020 3:22:48 GMT -5
Very deep and well thought out post. I hear you on the elder care as far as keeping someone alive that will never live without a portable machine and will never be able to voice their own will. On the flip side I have twin nieces that were born 6 weeks early they were the tiniest little things. I worried up and down about them that seems like yesterday, they are now in college both studying to be pediatric nurses. I have an infant great niece who was born about 6 weeks early who just came home from the hospital she's doing well but we're all still praying for her everyday.
So on to the looter. I hate the looting it disgusts me if I were a store owner I'd be mad as heck too. The looters should know they take their lives into their own hands if they partake BUT they are someone's son or daughter someone at least at one time or another cared for them. Some of them were taught poorly some of them are confused about what is right or wrong. Sadly some or maybe most are scumbags.
My religion says that all of the people mentioned in this post are of equal value. It's very hard for me to draw the lines that say this person is worth something and this one isn't, thetefore I say it is Gods job to say one way or another. I'd be lying to you if I told you that was an easy path to take though.
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Post by onebentarrow on Oct 30, 2020 5:54:46 GMT -5
Very deep and well thought out post. I hear you on the elder care as far as keeping someone alive that will never live without a portable machine and will never be able to voice their own will. On the flip side I have twin nieces that were born 6 weeks early they were the tiniest little things. I worried up and down about them that seems like yesterday, they are now in college both studying to be pediatric nurses. I have an infant great niece who was born about 6 weeks early who just came home from the hospital she's doing well but we're all still praying for her everyday. So on to the looter. I hate the looting it disgusts me if I were a store owner I'd be mad as heck too. The looters should know they take their lives into their own hands if they partake BUT they are someone's son or daughter someone at least at one time or another cared for them. Some of them were taught poorly some of them are confused about what is right or wrong. Sadly some or maybe most are scumbags. My religion says that all of the people mentioned in this post are of equal value. It's very hard for me to draw the lines that say this person is worth something and this one isn't, thetefore I say it is Gods job to say one way or another. I'd be lying to you if I told you that was an easy path to take though. Thank you for your reply |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 6:21:11 GMT -5
Nicely written by both of you. Per my upbringing and life experiences all life are blessing from conception to death. Each one a living Spirit and no one (self) should damage or harm the Spirit. I think a lot of the issues and conflicts of ideal and or belief is the root of our society. One major example is our start of life and what some (most) celebrate is our day we exist the womb. That is a false conception that society has accepted. Life begins at conception not at a birthday. That is the start of the root decay. It's a snow ball and gets bigger as you age. I don't think we should keep one a live per machines for the elderly, but at the same time what about the comma lives that are kept alive per machine and years later wake up. I feel the end of life issues will always be one of being human and can't solve. Maybe it should be left to the family or one in charge to make the final decision. Not the doctor or hospital. I look at the censorship of writing that have gone on for centuries. The majority of what we have been taught and learn per religions are not correct to best of mankind abilities. It is not even close and most of it false. Even the Bible is not 100%, it has been censored. If you go back just a couple hundred years you will find 3 books where taken out. What we religiously taught today has been censored. I could go on for days on this subject. I have to get back to work!
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Post by sculver7 on Oct 30, 2020 8:08:20 GMT -5
Great topics. While I can't claim to have any wisdom on any of this, I do have some thoughts. I can't speak to the "suffering, terminally ill person," as I do not know what my feelings are on that.
As to the looters/criminals/so forth... I cannot stand the blatant breaking of laws and disregard for other people's property (also I think it goes farther than property as in the sentimental value of things being destroyed. Regardless, I believe that the way our society deals with criminals holds a huge portion of the blame for why we see such lawlessness. Obviously, it would be best if parents raised their children to be upright citizens, but we live in a fallen world with many broken homes. Either way, here is the way we deal with law breakers: we put them in a jail with a bunch of other people who are of the same mindset as them, we feed them three meals a day, we let them watch TV, we let them buy things, we don't make them pay their bills because they don't have any bills, we don't give them any responsiblities, and as one jail close to me just did, we give them each their own iPad. This does not bolster a sense of self-responsibility or pride to make something of ones self. My brother is a police officer who was a sargeant in the local county jail for 6 years. He said that when he gets old and can't take care of himself anymore, he's going to peacefully walk into a bank, rob them, and then sit on the sidewalk out front until the cops come so that he can go to jail and "live the good life." Also, the rights that these people have in jail is in many cases better than the rights afforded to the normal working class American simply because we live in asuch an anti-cop era.
What needs to happen is that "criminal rehab" needs to happen like it did in Biblical times: You get thrown in jail and if you are going to eat, your family has to come feed you. If you are going to have a blanket or a pillow, your family has to provide it for you. Basically if you are going to have anything at all, even things deemed necessary for survival, your family has to provide it. Not only would this take the burden off of society for those that choose to be lawless, it would also encourage the attitude adjustment that, in my opinion, all this lawlessness stems from: Honor your father and mother. Not only would this be a huge deterrent from people commiting crimes in the first place, but more importantly, when your family is literally the only way that you are going to live past a couple of days, it helps a person to understand why the love and respect of a family is essential to a productive, honest, and happy life. And when a person has respect and love for thir family, they will have love and respect for other families.
Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength and love your neighbor as yourself. It is all summed up in this. If people saw the worth in this, we would not have the problems in this world that we see right now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 8:13:55 GMT -5
Animals do not have a soul, only humans are created in the Image of God, and with a soul. God gives us life, and we don`t have the authority to take life, not even our own. The exceptions for taking human life are outlined in the Bible, and government has the right and authority to take human life under certain circumstances, as in the death penalty, as well as war and LEO`s on the street when necessary. Human infants are defenseless as are older folks, and they need and deserve our protection. We ought to be a culture of life, and not one of death.
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