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Jan 2, 2007 20:23:12 GMT -5
Post by mullis56 on Jan 2, 2007 20:23:12 GMT -5
My muzzleloader was borrowed by my dad who shot a doe and missed and then I went out again so I reloaded as he shot.....no he had already reloaded so I now have 2 loads in there. So I take the breach plug out and can't get the load out at all. I've trashed the ram rod by trying to hammer it in the load with a hammer. So now I have a gun I can't get unloaded, and damaged ram rod and still have the problem that my gun won't unload.....HELP PLEASE, SUGGESTIONS?
BTW - it is a TC Omega.
Thanks!
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Jan 2, 2007 20:30:55 GMT -5
Post by Harley on Jan 2, 2007 20:30:55 GMT -5
Have you tried pushing them out from the breach toward the muzzle?
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Jan 2, 2007 20:54:49 GMT -5
Post by Old Ironsights on Jan 2, 2007 20:54:49 GMT -5
What is the load? (powder & bullet type)
Since they are packed hard together the second load should not act as a bore obstruction.
If you can't get the top one out with a worm, and/or can't pound them out through a removed breech plug, I would pull the plug and remove all the powder from behind the first charge. Then, put a lubed patch on the base of the bullet (to act as a seal) and then a measured 10gr powder back in the breech, replace the plug, and shoot the pair out. the pressure should be sufficient to blow out the bullets & extra charge, but not enough to blow-by and ignite the 2nd charge.
But you should be able to tap it out.
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Jan 2, 2007 22:05:09 GMT -5
Post by wolfhound on Jan 2, 2007 22:05:09 GMT -5
It would help to know the load that was used. From what you posted I would hazard a guess that the gun wasn't cleaned? And now you have a ruined ramrod. If you cannot get it out tonight I would take some oil and fill the barrel so you don't ruin it. The oil will neutralize the powder residue. Get a ramrod and use the ball puller if the bullet can be pulled (lead or jacketed). Those tipped bullets will pull but you have to get the tip first then the bullet, then the sabot (if saboted). If it's a lead bullet such as the powerbelt then hammering on the rod just expanded the bullet into the rifling. It'll still pull but it'll be a little harder.
If your using a bullet that cannot be pulled (solid copper) you likely have a problem. In that case I'd take it to a gunsmith. It's too risky to attempt to remove it yourself.
Under no circumstances should you attempt to shoot it even with a reduced load.
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Jan 2, 2007 22:26:25 GMT -5
Post by hornharvester on Jan 2, 2007 22:26:25 GMT -5
If you have access to a slide hammer then screw it into the sabot from the breech end. Spray some kind of lube into the breech to lube the barrel and see if you can pull it.
Or go to the hardware store and get a solid 7/16 aluminum rod and use a plastic tip or brass hammer and drive out the sabot. Once the rear one comes out the top one should be easy. Spray lube in the top and bottom first. Good luck, h.h.
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Jan 3, 2007 20:44:46 GMT -5
Post by mullis56 on Jan 3, 2007 20:44:46 GMT -5
It is a sabotted 300 gr shockwave. the first loads powder is now out but the rod is jammed into the sabbot from the breach end. my dad did shot it once, but i didn't think he reloaded so i did and then realized that it was already loaded. i was in a hurry as I was trying to hunt but couldn't because of this, but i borrowed a friends dad gun for that night. i will try oil to lubricate and see if i can't get it to work. any other suggestions? thanks for your thus far!
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Post by grappledad on Jan 4, 2007 6:58:55 GMT -5
The same thing happened to me. the bullets are pounded down into the barrel so tight I couldn't get them out either direction. I had to put the barrel in a vice and drill a hole in the first bullet. Then I used a dent puller to remove it from the breech end, dig out the powder and the second bullet was able to be pushed out the muzzle with a hardwood dowle rod.All work was done from the breech end as not to mess up the barrel or crown.It happened on my 700 MLS, I messed around with it for several days before I got it out. The gun wasn't cleaned until it was unloaded, I cleaned the gun put it up for the season.The next season I took her to the range and it was all over the place, I'm talking about 30" groups at 50 yards.The holes weren't round they looked like a keyhole.I took it to a friend and he showed me that by leaving it dirty while I worked on it pitted the barrel and thus ruined the gun.And that's how I came to own my omega.The morel to the story is, hurry up or you may be asking daddy clause for an Encore for christmas.Good luck.
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Post by wolfhound on Jan 4, 2007 8:33:39 GMT -5
the first loads powder is now out but the rod is jammed into the sabbot from the breach end. Do you have a t-handle? With a t-handle you should be able to get it back out. You don't have much time left. Unless you oiled the bore (litterally poured oil down the barrel till it's full) that Pyrodex is already rusting up the bore. Too much longer and you'll need to write Thompson for the price of a new barrel. You do realize that you violated the cardinal rule of muzzleloading right? You should always check to see if the gun is loaded before loading it. had you put your ramrod in the barrel you would have found out that it was already loaded. I'm not jumping on you just pointing out the mistake. If nothing else this will teach you that lesson.
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Post by mullis56 on Jan 8, 2007 0:20:27 GMT -5
the first loads powder is now out but the rod is jammed into the sabbot from the breach end. Do you have a t-handle? With a t-handle you should be able to get it back out. You don't have much time left. Unless you oiled the bore (litterally poured oil down the barrel till it's full) that Pyrodex is already rusting up the bore. Too much longer and you'll need to write Thompson for the price of a new barrel. You do realize that you violated the cardinal rule of muzzleloading right? You should always check to see if the gun is loaded before loading it. had you put your ramrod in the barrel you would have found out that it was already loaded. I'm not jumping on you just pointing out the mistake. If nothing else this will teach you that lesson. Okay thanks!
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Post by parson on Jan 8, 2007 7:26:01 GMT -5
When I first sarted shooting muzzleloaders I learned to put a "proof mark" on each ramrod. This is a very simple way to tell if anything is in the barrel. It's kept me from double loading before. Allthough, I must admit that I've loaded more than one patched round ball without first charging with powder. parson
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Jan 10, 2007 6:49:13 GMT -5
Post by dlawrence on Jan 10, 2007 6:49:13 GMT -5
You can use a ball puller. Someone who shoots a lot of muzzleloader probably has one.
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Post by greenhunter on Feb 4, 2007 1:27:55 GMT -5
When I first started shooting black powder, an "ol timer once warned me that if I shot black powder rifles long enough, eventually I will: 1) drop a bullet/ball down the barrel without any powder in there first and 2) I will somehow forget to remove my ramrod from the barrel and launch it into that place in the sky that ramrods are never supposed to go. WELL he was right, eventually I did both. Heck, I've even double loaded my barrel before. In the case of the double load, I just shot it out as the second load was packed tight against the first it did not act as a barrel obstruction, it just blew harmlessly out of the muzzle. No harm done. But it can be a little embarrassing if someone is watching.
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Feb 6, 2007 23:31:23 GMT -5
Post by lugnutz on Feb 6, 2007 23:31:23 GMT -5
Vise it, and drill out the first slug. Put some powder back behind the head slug and shoot it on out. Don't miss with the bit!
This has been brought to you by Rednecks fixen's! ;D
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Feb 7, 2007 23:25:44 GMT -5
Post by greenhunter on Feb 7, 2007 23:25:44 GMT -5
If you drill out the first slug, you better make sure your bit does not hit the powder charge....a lot of heat builds up when you start drilling metal like that.
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