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Post by hoosier on Dec 19, 2006 19:06:21 GMT -5
Can anyone explain this to me?
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 19, 2006 19:13:57 GMT -5
Black powder is classified as an Explosive. The legal requirements to sell it are stiff.
Black powder subs are classified the same as smokeless. It's easier to get and sell this. Eventually blackpowder for sporting applications will be extinct.
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Post by hornharvester on Dec 19, 2006 20:17:38 GMT -5
Like wolfhound said and they have to keep it in a special explosive proof box. The demand for blackpowder dwindles every year. If you look around usually there is a gun shop that deals in muzzleloaders that still carries BP. Blackpowder is getting expensive, one shop i know sells Goex for 25.00 a pound. h.h.
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Post by hoosier on Dec 19, 2006 22:55:09 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies guys. I was aware that some red tape was involved in retailing black powder. I wonder about the specifics of those regulations and how stringent they are to the retailer. Is there no room for retailers to make a profit on it? I KNOW dozens of guys that would kill to be able to buy it locally. In some circles, black powder is the ONLY powder deemed appropriate in muzzleloaders. Any more information is appreciated.
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Post by hornharvester on Dec 19, 2006 23:12:45 GMT -5
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 20, 2006 9:58:16 GMT -5
While they still exist you can buy BP in 25lb "bulk" bags for about 1/2 the cost of 1lb cans from Deer Creek Products in Waldron (near Indy). They don't have a Website, but they are listed in the phonebook.
Given the cost of shipping and the mandatory Hazardous Materials Fee if you live within a couple of hours of Waldron it is really worth the drive.
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Post by BIGHORN on Dec 20, 2006 14:43:05 GMT -5
It is not only the Red Tape about Black Powder being explosive, it is the Insurance requirements and cost that goes along with the selling of BP.
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Post by chicobrownbear on Dec 20, 2006 15:08:44 GMT -5
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 20, 2006 15:40:31 GMT -5
I have some stuff from a BATFE (Explosives Inspection Div) Friend of mine dealing with homebrew.
I'll work on posting a summary.
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Post by old3arrows on Dec 20, 2006 18:43:48 GMT -5
That's why every time I go to the shoot at Friendship I buy 10 to 20 pounds, but I think that you have to be an NMLRA member. I still prefer Goex for my flintlock and old Hawken, and as long as you keep your powder dry it will last forever. It doesn't take long to burn up a can at 50 to 60 grain charges for round balls in the flinter.
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Post by dlawrence on Dec 22, 2006 20:13:33 GMT -5
The best deal is if you know someone who goes to Friendship.
I think Deer Creek sells the Chinese black powder. There is a difference.
I like the Chinese stuff better than the Elephant brand.
I like Goex. The Swiss stuff is really good, but pricey.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 23, 2006 11:36:40 GMT -5
The chinese (LIDU/Dragon) sold by Deer Creekis excellent powder - provided you sift the fines out.
I've done a fairly extensive bit of testing various powders and the #1 difference in the Super Premium Powders like Swiss and Goex Express is not the composition, but the consistancy in granualtion.
If you use a 40mesh brass screen and sift out all the 4F/fines (anywhere from 30 - 50% depending on mfg.) the Standard Deviations in velocity from volumetric loadings drop like a rock. Cleanup is also 200% easier. Simply, 3F with a minimum grain size of .015 burns cleaner and more consistently than 3F mixed with 4F.
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Post by hornharvester on Dec 23, 2006 13:05:46 GMT -5
The chinese (LIDU/Dragon) sold by Deer Creekis excellent powder - provided you sift the fines out. I've done a fairly extensive bit of testing various powders and the #1 difference in the Super Premium Powders like Swiss and Goex Express is not the composition, but the consistancy in granualtion. If you use a 40mesh brass screen and sift out all the 4F/fines (anywhere from 30 - 50% depending on mfg.) the Standard Deviations in velocity from volumetric loadings drop like a rock. Cleanup is also 200% easier. Simply, 3F with a minimum grain size of .015 burns cleaner and more consistently than 3F mixed with 4F. old ironsights, from what ive read Swiss uses a special charcoal made out of elder that gives them more power than most BP. ive never used swiss but would like to try some. Ive often thought about order some but since going smokeless i dont shot BP much at all. h.h. |
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 23, 2006 14:08:41 GMT -5
Both Swiss & Graf use alder, which is a bit more "powerful" but not enough so to make as much difference to me as sifting does. You may get an extra 50 - 100 fps depending on the loading, but that's really not worth an extra $5/lb to me. If I need more Poop than 120gr 3F and a 36ogr minnieball in my flinter will give me, I am doing somthing wrong. It's not like I'm shooting anything more than 125yds away.  |
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Post by sharps45120 on May 31, 2007 13:26:53 GMT -5
I still sell real black powder near Roann, nothern Miami county, north of Peru. I sell for less than $25.00 a pound.
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Post by stevein on Jun 1, 2007 23:03:07 GMT -5
The laws governing black powder suck. They just opened a huge fireworks outlet in Ft. Wayne. It is full of pyrotechnics loaded with Black Powder. Down the road Gander Mt and H&H can only keep 50 lbs in their stores. BP is cheap compared to pellets.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Jun 2, 2007 16:50:28 GMT -5
Lots about bp I did not know.
Good info.
Thanks guys.
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Post by bill on Jun 5, 2007 11:30:02 GMT -5
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Post by larryhagmansliver on Jul 18, 2007 18:05:17 GMT -5
Sharps, please let us know what you carry. I'm in Fort Wayne so a roadie down to your shop isn't out of the question.
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Post by Blackstick on Aug 9, 2007 14:49:31 GMT -5
Just bought 2 lbs. of Goex at Gander Mountain in Ft. Wayne today. $14.99 per lb. You have to ask for it because they keep it locked up. There is also a 4 lb. limit that they will sell a person in a day.
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