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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 11, 2006 23:03:01 GMT -5
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Post by wolfhound on Feb 12, 2006 12:30:51 GMT -5
It's made by Traditions.  A friend at the shotshow said that it's stamped that on the barrel.  |
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 12, 2006 15:03:07 GMT -5
It's made by Traditions. A friend at the shotshow said that it's stamped that on the barrel. Oh.... that is good to know.. I don't understand their rationale on that, do you? |
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Post by wolfhound on Feb 12, 2006 19:04:00 GMT -5
Best guess is that they didn't want to sink money into something that may or may not sell. Either that or they figure that they can't compete against the cheap muzzleloaders and are using the "if you can't beat em, join em approach".
Could be both too.
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Post by Decatur on Feb 13, 2006 16:23:03 GMT -5
Remington seems to be grasping at straws. First they buy out Baikal, now they're selling Traditions ML with their name. What gives? No R&D department at Remington anymore?
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Post by wolfhound on Feb 13, 2006 18:56:24 GMT -5
Who knows. Remington has problems, no doubt there.
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Post by chicobrownbear on Feb 14, 2006 8:29:52 GMT -5
I think that baikal tapped a market that no one else saw, at least no one else with guns that were decently made.
Chuck Hawks really turned in a scathing review of the Model 700 ML. This steered me away from buying one. I think Remington read it too....
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Post by shootsa410 on Feb 14, 2006 9:58:27 GMT -5
. Chuck Hawks really turned in a scathing review of the Model 700 ML. This steered me away from buying one. I think Remington read it too.... Where can I read his review? I have a 700 ML and have used it for years. I have no issues with it and intend on it being the only ML I own. |
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Post by wolfhound on Feb 14, 2006 12:21:40 GMT -5
. Chuck Hawks really turned in a scathing review of the Model 700 ML. This steered me away from buying one. I think Remington read it too.... Where can I read his review? I have a 700 ML and have used it for years. I have no issues with it and intend on it being the only ML I own. |
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Post by shootsa410 on Feb 14, 2006 12:58:53 GMT -5
Well the only thing I can say is I would have to shoot the others to compare but I have no intentions to do so, I still like my 700. I shoot 300 gr bullet with 100 clean shot powder and I've killed many deer with it. I do use the 209 primers and haven't experienced the unfortunate fierce blow back as stated. The 209 primers do stick in after virtually every shot but they also don't fall out before firing either. To me using the pick to get it out is just part of the loading process. I have also used the weather shroud whenever I shoot, to include on the range, not only in inclement weather again no problem. As for the kick, if compared to a 12 ga slug it's a shove not a kick. One thing I would like to put on it is a thumb hole stock. Anyway I've had this gun for some years and I'm sure there are a number of MLs on the market today that load, balance, shoot and even look better but I'm sticking to my 700, it gets the job done.....
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Post by ourway77 on Feb 14, 2006 20:00:20 GMT -5
If it works stick to your guns. I had one and it was the worst shooting ML'er I ever had and I have atleast 12. I tried to sell it as low as 175 dollars and no takers, finally I gave it away to a young boy who hunts with us for him so so accuracy will not be a problem. I bought it on Remingtons name, they sure didnt research their product. I guess they realized, that is why they no longer make them. And for Remington to have ML'ers made for them by traditions, one of the most accident prone ML'ers on the market today, what are they coming too. Randy wakeman in his video about the Remington ML'er his opinion was even worse than mine.You know the old saying if ain't broke don't fix it.
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Post by mbogo on Feb 16, 2006 13:36:24 GMT -5
The decision to sell Baikal products under the Spartan name was probably one of the best decisions Remington has made in a long time. I don't think this new muzzleloader will work so well.
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Post by parrothead on Feb 17, 2006 14:06:45 GMT -5
I have 700ml too. I have had no problem and have had it for several years. 777 100 and 200 gr sabot.
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Post by chicobrownbear on Feb 21, 2006 9:59:53 GMT -5
I thought they should be decent. I have never really had any problems with any of the Remington products I own (many). I didn't know anyone with a 700 ML at the time I was looking. Ruger also made a similar rifle based on their model 77, which I had a hard time finding.
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Post by indianahick on Feb 25, 2006 0:39:04 GMT -5
I used a Remington from the early 90's until about 3 or 4 years ago when I bought the Knight. I never had any problems with it. Killed quite a few deer with it too. I just bought one of the new Savage ML11's and am looking forward to useing it too. Although someone blew one up and then said that they were all bad. From what I heard he used almost triple loads to do it. But who knows.
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Post by corvair on Mar 8, 2006 12:00:44 GMT -5
I used a Remington from the early 90's until about 3 or 4 years ago when I bought the Knight. I never had any problems with it. Killed quite a few deer with it too. I just bought one of the new Savage ML11's and am looking forward to useing it too. Although someone blew one up and then said that they were all bad. From what I heard he used almost triple loads to do it. But who knows. Indianahick, The person you refer to in the Savage incident was Toby Bridges. According to Savage arms, this blown Savage was the result of improper loading. Being that he was a Savage employee, but was fired, one can only guess the reason for this occurance. I own a Savage smokeless and wouldn't trade it for anything. The Savage is awesome. I have several sub-moa loads that I can share with you. Sorry, hope I didn't hi-jack this thread. The original Remington muzzleloader was very well made. Used rifle grade steel and was made at the same plant as their high power rifles. Too bad Remington didn't evolve this gun. Quality was as good as Knight and TC. |
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Post by ourway77 on Mar 8, 2006 19:39:03 GMT -5
That's a new one. First time I heard that about Mr Bridges. tripled the load? But what has that to do with Remingrtom? You know there is an old saying Believe nothing of what you hear, And half of what you see.
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