Indianahunter
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Post by Indianahunter on Jan 18, 2006 13:04:01 GMT -5
Everyone who knows me understands I enjoy shooting and promoting smokeless powder muzzleloading. It is safer, cleaner and less expensive to shoot than other types of muzzleloaders. I currently own two (2) Savage 10ML-II's. One is a "Henry Ball" and the second is a standard SS laminated stock. I can shoot 1" or better with either gun with a large combination of available 250 and 300 grain bullets at comfortable velocities over 2000 fps and many over 2200 fps. www.savagearms.com/muzzleloader_home.htmMy third is a NEF frame and a custom Douglas barrel from SMI out of Hartford City, Indiana. The Avatar to the left is a three (3) shot group at 100 yards using 200gn .40 cal T/C Shockwave's in my NEF/SMI fps is right at 2400 +/- www.smokelessmuzzleloading.com/Here are a few other manufactures that make smokeless powder muzzleloaders: www.newultralight.com/HTML/mz.htmlwww.swinglock.net/www.badbullmuzzleloaders.com/html/index.htmlI’m sure there are others and certainly more to come. And my HB #106 10ML-II  |
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Post by jajwrigh on Jan 18, 2006 13:27:13 GMT -5
Beautiful gun. I plan on picking one up as wel.
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Post by Decatur on Jan 19, 2006 7:05:12 GMT -5
I know I love mine!
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Post by drs on Jan 19, 2006 7:31:50 GMT -5
I read, on another forum, that some shooters had these Savages blow up on them. I believe one was Toby Bridges, a gun writer. Just wondering if Savage found out the reasons why there had been some trouble with this M/L that uses modern smokeless powder.  I know those who had this problem said they didn't overload the rifle. |
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Post by wolfhound on Jan 19, 2006 7:42:22 GMT -5
Toby was always pushing the limits. That's why Savage FIRED him. Some people think he blew the gun on purpose. No one heard about the blow up till after he was fired. He then tried to extort money from Henry Ball AND Savage.
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Post by hornharvester on Jan 19, 2006 9:25:12 GMT -5
Bridges was the only one that blew up a savage and he did just what Wolfhound said. I for one have shot the Savage with a double load, 90 grains by accident and it buldged the barrel just in front of where the load sits. I did'nt load the gun but a friend did and gave it to me to shoot. The gunswas sent back to savage and they re-barreled it free, even though it was'nt the guns fault. The have been other epiosodes of barrel buldgeing but non of the savage guns came apart. If you use the factory recommended loads the savage is safer than any other muzzle loader made. h.h.
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Post by drs on Jan 19, 2006 10:11:55 GMT -5
Toby was always pushing the limits. That's why Savage FIRED him. Some people think he blew the gun on purpose. No one heard about the blow up till after he was fired. He then tried to extort money from Henry Ball AND Savage. That I didn't know. I have a real good friend from Tn. whom I hunt with in Ky each year. He knows Toby Bridges personally, but was also shocked to learn about the blow up Toby had. My friend can't understand why Toby started working with those type M/L as he use to be a big supporter of traditional M/L using Black Powder. |
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Post by drs on Jan 19, 2006 10:14:15 GMT -5
I am assuming the Savage Smokless powder M/L is safe if used properly then. I was in the market for one a few year back but when I read about the "blow-up" I got concerned and bought a T/C Black Diamond instead. I am happy with my Black Diamond using "777" loose powder. ;D
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Post by wolfhound on Jan 19, 2006 12:52:53 GMT -5
That I didn't know. I have a real good friend from Tn. whom I hunt with in Ky each year. He knows Toby Bridges personally, but was also shocked to learn about the blow up Toby had. My friend can't understand why Toby started working with those type M/L as he use to be a big supporter of traditional M/L using Black Powder. He's from my area and before this happened he was supposed to move to a location about a 1/2 hr away from me. We were talking about getting together and doing some shooting once he had his range set up. Then the gun blow up and all that followed. What's ironic is that he's the one who convinced me smokeless has a place in muzzleloading.  |
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Post by drs on Jan 19, 2006 14:30:49 GMT -5
That I didn't know. I have a real good friend from Tn. whom I hunt with in Ky each year. He knows Toby Bridges personally, but was also shocked to learn about the blow up Toby had. My friend can't understand why Toby started working with those type M/L as he use to be a big supporter of traditional M/L using Black Powder. He's from my area and before this happened he was supposed to move to a location about a 1/2 hr away from me. We were talking about getting together and doing some shooting once he had his range set up. Then the gun blow up and all that followed. What's ironic is that he's the one who convinced me smokeless has a place in muzzleloading. I always enjoyed reading his articles concerning M/L's he had a good article once about the use of .45 cal. M/L and their effectiveness on Deer. I think it was in a back issue of THE GUN DIGEST. |
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Indianahunter
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Post by Indianahunter on Jan 20, 2006 8:28:31 GMT -5
I read, on another forum, that some shooters had these Savages blow up on them. I believe one was Toby Bridges, a gun writer. Just wondering if Savage found out the reasons why there had been some trouble with this M/L that uses modern smokeless powder. I know those who had this problem said they didn't overload the rifle. I'm only aware of Toby's gun and I believe like many that it was not as it has been described... Let’s just say he was not happy to be fired by Savage and Henry Ball. Also, did you know that this gun was damaged in April and only after he was fired became a dire issue? I actually bought my Henry Ball based on his recommendations in early August! He convinced me well after his incident that this was the way too go. If you have first hand knowledge of other guns please let me know as I'm very familiar with those who would like to know this. |
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Post by drs on Jan 20, 2006 9:04:46 GMT -5
indianahunter, I handled one of those Savages M/L's at a gunshow last Summer. I liked the feel of it, and if I were to buy one in the future I would just use Triple "7" powder in it. But the option to use regular modern smokless powder is apealing! I've read on other forums that SR-4759 powder or IMR-4227 plus a few others give exceptional accuracy. <P.S.> I found this website which might prove useful: www.gunblast.com/Savage-10MLII.htm |
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Post by schoolmaster on Jan 20, 2006 17:37:59 GMT -5
The savage is very strong and very safe. Shooters have mistakenly fired their ramrods downrange. After getting over the recoil, they suffered a sore shoulder and a ringed barrel but the rifle did not blow up. I like the smokeless option because of ease of maintenance and non corrosive nature of smokeless powder. The other appealing factor is the accuracy. Savage rifles will shoot very well.
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Post by hornzilla on Jan 20, 2006 18:36:12 GMT -5
What is the price of a savage? And who carries them?
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Indianahunter
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Post by Indianahunter on Jan 20, 2006 22:18:10 GMT -5
I stop into the Outdoorsman in Greenwood often. Their staff is very knowledgeable and the have a great selection. If you get there ask for Doug and tell then I sent you! You can also pick them up online at some of the other online catalog’s like Natchez... Good luck,
Pat Allen
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Post by ourway77 on Jan 21, 2006 6:34:09 GMT -5
Gentleman, I have been on several boards for some time and the Toby Bridges episode was one of hot debate, it went on and on for some time. First of all I was not there so I for one can not make a comment whether it did happen or didn't, like some have said. It's like the school children were told a short story and were told to pass it on. When it got to the last child it was totally unrelated to the original child. An example of things that are unexplainable, we were at the range one day and a fellow member was shooting a ruger blackhawk 44 mag, using factory ammo the gun blew apart, no one even ruger could explain why. To the best of my knowledge this was a one time occurance. So how do we know for sure that it did not happen to Toby? I have a Ball and I love it I have been checking to see if any of the signs that Toby shows on his sight are happening to mine I see none. I for one feel the subject should be closed till we find out the truth if we ever do. It would be easy for me to start a rumor that this or that happened, and after telling the rumor everyone starts to believe it. In my soon to be 70 years I have seen this sort of thing get out of hand, that's why in a court of law what someone says to someone else is hearsay. I love reading all the comments, but I take them with a grain of salt. The old addage is believe only 50% of what you see and nothing of what you hear. I hope I don't get into trouble with this reply as I have in the past for expressing my views on another board. Respectfully
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Post by tony on Jan 21, 2006 8:48:40 GMT -5
have you been to Dave's Guns in Holland or the Great Oudoors in Jasper?
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Post by jajwrigh on Jan 22, 2006 12:43:48 GMT -5
I just came from there and held the Savage ss with the laminated stock! What an incredible muzzleloader! The build quality is the best I have seen and it feels great in my hands. It comes with a price though...  |
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Post by jajwrigh on Apr 10, 2006 22:58:12 GMT -5
It was in the mid to upper $600 range.  |
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Post by corvair on Apr 14, 2006 10:43:17 GMT -5
Albros Guns,Indpls. could beat that price by a margin.
Look them up on the internet. Randy Wakeman also sells them for less than that.Also Bradis Guns in Camby,IN.The Outdoorsman(Greenwood,IN) stocks them, but they are very close to retail price.
Cabelas has never stocked the Savage 10ML II.Neither has Bass Pro. Gander Mountain does, but only some stores.
Best deals might be Albros,Bradis or Mid South Shooters Supply.
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I know those who had this problem said they didn't overload the rifle.
