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Post by moose1am on Jul 12, 2020 9:16:41 GMT -5
LOL at the idea that college makes you smarter. Academically educated, yes, more intelligent or capable, no not really. Well only the smartest kids get into college. Kids with poor grades can't even get accepted unless their parents pay off the officals to let their kids into a college. They don't let dummies into college for the most part. I guess people that were not accepted or never applied themselves can't understand that. But not to worry. There is always trade schools and ditch diggers jobs out there. But I don't know any engineers that didn't have to take college algebra, Trig, Analytical Geometry, and Calculus. ~
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Post by moose1am on Jul 12, 2020 9:27:57 GMT -5
All I'm going to say about the virus and the economy is that I believe that if the economy was going gangbusters like it was last year at this time he'd be a shoe in and I believe (yeah, it's far fetched but think about it for a minute) that there are entities out there that want the economy to slow way down to give Biden a better shot at the election. Now back to BLM, I'm still not seeing the hype about black on black shootings in the news. I honestly don't think that the media is fair and unbiased any more. Well the media is not perfect. I don't really know who owns (controls) the media other than the Guy from Britain that owns Fox. So I'm sure that all people have some bias. That's just the way humans are and always have been. I remember when the media did a number on Richard Jewel and accused him of a bombing he never committed. Another guy was finally caught and tried and convicted of that bombing. I remember when I was younger and never watched the news unless I was at home. My dad would come home from his job and watched PBS The McNeil-Lehr news hour to get the news of the day. This was before cable TV and CNN which as you know is a 24 hr./day news channel that repeats the news all day long. They don't have enough news to broadcast something new every hour so they often repeat the news over and over again. CNN was not designed to watch all day long. It was more for those that only had a hour or so to watch the news. So those that were working different shifts could catch up on the news no matter what time of the day it was. I'm not a BLM guy. And I won't go there with that V word. Funny though that is the main story these days.
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Post by moose1am on Jul 12, 2020 9:37:34 GMT -5
There is nothing far fetch about it it’s happening Honestly it’s hard to give a crap anymore more about BLM like I said it’s the biggest crock of crap around it should be All Lives Matter your not the only person that’s been discriminated against Every day on the news here in Fort Wayne when violence or crimes are reported black people are involved 90% of the time sure makes it hard to fill sorry for you. I don’t know but if a old farm boy who grew up some what poor and just made it through high school by shear luck can end up making a good living by working hard and long hours and lots of them why can’t you do the same. I don’t believe that’s it’s a lack of opportunities because there everywhere it’s a lack of trying. It’s not just my luck I’ve got a lot of customers who started out the same way BTW some of them are Black some are Hispanic some are Asian some are White the common denominator is they got up early worked hard and late and made it happen Go ahead start throwing stones I hear you and agree with you about BLM. What if we all starting saying White Lives Matter. WLM and spray painted that all over the black neighborhoods. I watch MSNBC a lot but CNN more. When I am watching Joy in the Morning or some times she is on at night I have to turn her off and go watch another channel. These days I watch nature shows and movies to get away from all the bad news. It doesn't make the problems go away but at least I don't have to worry about the worlds problems for a hour or two. Back to Joy. I turn her off because I see her as very biased. She has more black people on her show and all she does is talk about the woes of black people. She will have 3 guest and all there will be black. It's like watching the BEC. Black Entertainment Channel on TV. Call me biased and I don't care. She is biased too. There are certain shows that I watch on MSNBC or CNN and then there are others that I don't watch. Like I said before I studied Environmental Science and Conservation of Natural Resources in College at Purdue University. That is my back ground. Before that I studied Pre-Veterinary Medicine. So I have a strong back ground in the sciences/physic, chemistry, biology etc.
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Post by treetop on Jul 12, 2020 11:47:57 GMT -5
LOL at the idea that college makes you smarter. Academically educated, yes, more intelligent or capable, no not really. Well only the smartest kids get into college. Kids with poor grades can't even get accepted unless their parents pay off the officals to let their kids into a college. They don't let dummies into college for the most part. I guess people that were not accepted or never applied themselves can't understand that. But not to worry. There is always trade schools and ditch diggers jobs out there. But I don't know any engineers that didn't have to take college algebra, Trig, Analytical Geometry, and Calculus. ~ Do you really believe a degree makes you smart or better than people with out one ? So your saying that because we didn’t do great in school and that we didn’t go to college we’re a bunch of stupid a$$ and we didn’t apply ourselves. I worked hard in school but for some reason I just can’t seem to get it. In my 41 years of working in the trades I’ve have found most engineers and other people with degrees couldn’t do the job they are paid to lay out or design but they are great about putting it on paper. Almost 100% of the Commercial building I’ve done the HVAC In was my design they the engineers/ draftsman doing the print send the print to us I layout the plan out send it back they put their stamp on it and send it to the state for approval. And that’s common practice for all the mechanicals I honestly believe working in the trades is a honorable job be it HVAC Landscaper mechanic Plumber next time your toilet won’t flush car won’t run AC won’t cool see if your degree can fix it BTW you may want to check the income of some of these people you might be surprised how much our stupid a$$ make a year
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 12:20:06 GMT -5
Well only the smartest kids get into college. Kids with poor grades can't even get accepted unless their parents pay off the officals to let their kids into a college. They don't let dummies into college for the most part. I guess people that were not accepted or never applied themselves can't understand that. But not to worry. There is always trade schools and ditch diggers jobs out there. But I don't know any engineers that didn't have to take college algebra, Trig, Analytical Geometry, and Calculus. ~ Do you really believe a degree makes you smart or better than people with out one ? So your saying that because we didn’t do great in school and that we didn’t go to college we’re a bunch of stupid a$$ and we didn’t apply ourselves. I worked hard in school but for some reason I just can’t seem to get it. In my 41 years of working in the trades I’ve have found most engineers and other people with degrees couldn’t do the job they are paid to lay out or design but they are great about putting it on paper. Almost 100% of the Commercial building I’ve done the HVAC In was my design they the engineers/ draftsman doing the print send the print to us I layout the plan out send it back they put their stamp on it and send it to the state for approval. And that’s common practice for all the mechanicals I honestly believe working in the trades is a honorable job be it HVAC Landscaper mechanic Plumber next time your toilet won’t flush car won’t run AC won’t cool see if your degree can fix it BTW you may want to check the income of some of these people you might be surprised how much our stupid a$$ make a year Well said, and it`s a load of hooey that "only the smartest kids get into college". We know that not only have testing standards been lowered to allow some to be "competitive", but even at that, if a kid falls within a certain demographic, they have points added regardless of academic testing scores to make up for perceived "deficiencies". And it really isn`t an "us versus them" scenario anyway. College isn`t for everyone anymore than the trades are for everyone. Some are inherently better at mechanical things, and some just have a better aptitude for surgery, or putting pen to paper, etc. Unfortunately, there are some divisions that are just going to keep us apart. For example, I just cannot see myself befriending someone who is anti-America, who believes in open borders, or is anti-gun. All of us have certain core beliefs and values we won`t budge on, but there are a lot of times too, when we`re not that far apart on things, and in fact, have more in common than not, but we allow the media to create divisions when there really ought not be any. We`re better served if we can look for the commonalities between us, when possible, than to jump on the differences. Up to a certain point, we`re all just American`s.
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Post by bill9068 on Jul 12, 2020 12:52:11 GMT -5
I never went to college, I went to Marine Corp boot camp. Common sense trumps most college degrees. By the way a few years ago I sold my partial ownership which I helped to build in a half a billion dollar company.
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Post by freedomhunter on Jul 12, 2020 14:52:44 GMT -5
LOL at the idea that college makes you smarter. Academically educated, yes, more intelligent or capable, no not really. Well only the smartest kids get into college. Kids with poor grades can't even get accepted unless their parents pay off the officals to let their kids into a college. They don't let dummies into college for the most part. I guess people that were not accepted or never applied themselves can't understand that. But not to worry. There is always trade schools and ditch diggers jobs out there. But I don't know any engineers that didn't have to take college algebra, Trig, Analytical Geometry, and Calculus. ~ Don't forget DiffEQ, probabilites, statistics, and a dab of all disciplines EE, ME (thermo), Geotech, Materials, sure I am forgetting something
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Post by beermaker on Jul 18, 2020 11:03:20 GMT -5
I was listening to Hannity’s radio show the other day when a black guy called in:
“I’m a 60 years old black man that was born in Detroit and now I live in Houston. Black Lives Matter and ANTIFA are nothing more than a bunch of radical white liberals that are tricking dumb black people into doing their dirty work.”
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 11:09:58 GMT -5
I was listening to Hannity’s radio show the other day when a black guy called in: “I’m a 60 years old black man that was born in Detroit and now I live in Houston. Black Lives Matter and ANTIFA are nothing more than a bunch of radical white liberals that are tricking dumb black people into doing their dirty work.” Not sure if the guy has correctly identified those behind these "movements", but, he`s exactly correct in that, people are being played, and directed to do other`s bidding, and it is all to further a leftist, anti-America agenda.
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Post by moose1am on Jul 19, 2020 21:25:04 GMT -5
Well only the smartest kids get into college. Kids with poor grades can't even get accepted unless thdn't have to take college algebra, Trig, Analytical Geometry, and Calculus. ~ Do you really believe a degree makes you smart or better than people with out one ? So your saying that because we didn’t do great in school and that we didn’t go to college we’re a bunch of stupid a$$ and we didn’t apply ourselves. I worked hard in school but for some reason I just can’t seem to get it. In my 41 years of working in the trades I’ve have found most engineers and other people with degrees couldn’t do the job they are paid to lay out or design but they are great about putting it on paper. Almost 100% of the Commercial building I’ve done the HVAC In was my design they the engineers/ draftsman doing the print send the print to us I layout the plan out send it back they put their stamp on it and send it to the state for approval. And that’s common practice for all the mechanicals I honestly believe working in the trades is a honorable job be it HVAC Landscaper mechanic Plumber next time your toilet won’t flush car won’t run AC won’t cool see if your degree can fix it BTW you may want to check the income of some of these people you might be surprised how much our stupid a$$ make a year Well maybe you should design those buildings since you think your are smarter than the engineers. And you need to read my post again. I said the smartest kids get into college. Those are the smart kids as they did well in school. The degree only proves that you went to college and received a degree in your field of study. The degree itself doesn't make your smarter or more intelligent. But it does prove that you were able to study and pass the tests in order to get that college degree. It shows that you are more educated in that field of study than someone that didn't go to college. I never said that people in the trades are dumb. They are very smart in their field. But like I did say. They mostly didn't take college chemistry or college physics classes. Did you take chemistry, physics or trigonometry? By the way, a cup of dish soap and a gallon of hot water fixed my toilet better than any plumber did. The last plumber I called to fix a leaking shut off value that I have a flexible hose connected to the value and the toilet. He told me that I didn't need a new valve and all I had to do was tighten the nut on the value. That stopped the leak for about a few days and after he was gone the value started leaking again. He charged me $300 for the trip. I had to shut off the water to the house at the main shutoff to stop the value from leaking onto the floor. The value is hard to get to and if I were younger I could shut the water off and replace the value myself. But I'm getting too old and have bad knees and can't get down on my knees anymore. The value is hard to access and it's a small bath room and the vanity is right next to the toilet and space to get to the valve is limited. Which is probably why the plumber didn't replace the leaking value in the first place. My training in the sciences allowed me to test the water and find that it's full of calcium and magnesium and it very hard on the pipe fixtures. I have to replace faucets and hot water heaters way too often. The hot water heater needs to be drained twice a year so I added 6" pipe extension to the water tank and now can attach a garden hose to the pipe in order to drain the water out. I find all kinds of calcium rocks and sediment in the drained water. So yes I can fix a plugged up toilet. It does not take a scientist to use a drain auger if the soap does not work. And I doubt that you were drawing up planes for the HVAC system and sending them to the Engineers for approval with the State. That does not sound right. Making money does not prove you are smart. Example President Trump. Trump paid someone else to take his SATs as he was afraid he would not pass the SATs and could not get into college. And he is not the brightest light bulb in the package. And my old Truck doesn't work with the newer AC type Freon. My system need to be evacuated as there are still traces of the old Freon in the system according to some grease monkey with a Freon monitor that he didn't know how to operate and read the results. I had all my old Freon removed but there was a few PPM of the old Freon in the compressor oil which was not removed. So I need to have the compressor removed and replace and then the lines all cleaned out again. I have the new fittings already installed a long time ago. I had a compressor but was forced to return it back to the store. Long story about why that happened and I'm not going to get into that. But the fact is the AC is not working and I just roll the windows down and keep cool that way. That was how we did it long before there was car AC's. I get better gas mileage without the AC working. Actually the vehicle still has the old compressor and some of the new Freon in the system but it won't cool right. I even have the gauges and hose needed to test the system and fill it up with new Freon to the proper levels. They didn't teach me how to do that in college at Purdue University because I didn't sign up to take Grease Monkey 101 classes. But Purdue did teach me how to read and learn and so all I had to do was a little reading to learn how to work with the AC or the plumbing. And these days you can go watch a youtube video and learn how to do most tasks.
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Post by treetop on Jul 20, 2020 17:36:38 GMT -5
postimg.cc/gallery/Z9hwyX2Here’s a link to last few homes I designed engineered and built from start to finish the last year and half And did that without a degree BTW On average I design engineer and install around 100 HVAC systems in new homes a year And I did that without a degree Not here to argue with you or anybody nor will I ever start but personally I found your post a bit degrading to the working man even in your second post you called mechanics grease monkeys If you’d like I’ll post a photo of my plumbers crack I engineered that also 😀 Sir I’m done our view of things will always be different You have a wonderful day
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Post by moose1am on Jul 20, 2020 23:22:19 GMT -5
postimg.cc/gallery/Z9hwyX2Here’s a link to last few homes I designed engineered and built from start to finish the last year and half And did that without a degree BTW On average I design engineer and install around 100 HVAC systems in new homes a year And I did that without a degree Not here to argue with you or anybody nor will I ever start but personally I found your post a bit degrading to the working man even in your second post you called mechanics grease monkeys If you’d like I’ll post a photo of my plumbers crack I engineered that also 😀 Sir I’m done our view of things will always be different You have a wonderful day I'm almost 70 years old and don't mean no disrespect to you. And the term "grease money" was a common term when I grew up. Remember the TV show "Happy Days" with Ron Howard and the Fonz? Or the movie "Grease" with Olivia Newton John and John Travolta. He also played on the TV show "Welcome Back Kotter" as Vinney. IIRC the term grease money was used in both those shows and the movie. Sorry it offended anyone. I'm not saying that anyone is not good at certain things. Maybe you don't need a degree to build a house. I know a lot of carpenters who have build many houses and didn't go to college. But they didn't design the space shuttle or a Boeing 747 as that is reserved for engineers with degrees. And it takes a mechanical engineer to design and build a bridge across the Ohio River. The Iron workers actually do the building but the design is done by a engineer with a college degree. We could debate this forever but as you said it's not worth the time. Good on on the Plumber's. That shot me right where it hurts. Some times the Truth hurts and people regret some of the decisions that they made in life. Remember that the vast number of people didn't go to college and that those that did are in the minority. But the cream rinses to the top and doesn't take up that much room in the milk bottle. Where did you graduate from and what rank did you receive when you graduated from HS? Were you in the top 10% of your class. How big was your class? I took a short 3 or 4 day class in Asbestos Supervision and we had to learn to design a HVAC system to exchange the air 4 times a hour in the asbestos work area. That was 20 year ago and I would have to think about it for a while before I could do that now. I also took a Fire Investigation Class about 30 years ago and would have to think about that again. Like I said I'm a kid from the 1960s and that was a long time ago. I'm retired now and not in good health. So my memory is not as sharp as it once was when I was younger. There are many people that I worked with that were college graduates that are much smarter than I ever was. And I've worked with some very smart guys that didn't go to college. But on average the college graduates earn more money than those that didn't go to college There are exceptions of course.
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Post by greghopper on Jul 26, 2020 11:34:32 GMT -5
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Post by moose1am on Jul 26, 2020 12:01:27 GMT -5
I'm not so sure that the media doesn't care about Black Lives. MSNBC has a lot of black news people on the air every day. So the black point of view is expressed on MSNBC all the time. I may not agree with what they have to say. For example this reparations thing is silly IMHO. And if the protestors are walking down the middle of the street then they are not peacefully assembling anymore. They are breaking the laws. They are subject to getting a fine or arrested if they don't cooperate with the authorities. The US constitution allows peaceful assembly and the people can petition for their redresses. They can't march down the middle of a street and block traffic. And they are breaking the law if they break into buildings and start looting goods from those buildings. And if they set a building on fire they are committing ARSON and that is a first degree felony. I would order troops to fire real live ammo if I observed a looter trying to set a building on fire. Those type of people need to be shot in the streets by the police or national guard. That is a matter for the States to handle and unless the Governor asks for help from the federal government the feds need to stay out of the state or city. Federal property like a US Federal Court House inside the city limits could have a few federal marshals around to guard the property. But sending 100's of Federal Homeland Security people into a city in unmarked vehicles and with no identification on the troops other than a single Police label is not constitutional IMHO. And everyone is wearing masks so trying to ID those troops for justice purposes is harder. Let the Governor of the State call out the State's National Guard Troops and give them real guns to do the job. Gathering in large unruly crowds is more akin to a revolution than a peaceful protest.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 26, 2020 12:26:26 GMT -5
Ok folks we have some on here that can tell by the sounds of the weapon going off which is which.
I’m nowhere near an expert but the first five shots sounded a lot different than the last (3?) shots.
Rifle first and then handgun?
What say ye?
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 26, 2020 14:30:23 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Jul 26, 2020 14:53:42 GMT -5
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Post by moose1am on Jul 26, 2020 19:23:09 GMT -5
The guy in the car just needs to say two things. Number 1 he needs to say that he feared for his life. Number 2 he needs to ask for a lawyer. Then he needs to keep his mouth shut and let his lawyer do all the talking.
If I were in a car and some idiot walked up to my car during a riot when the rioters were walking down the street and blocking my car and then one of the rioters carrying an AK47 rifle pointed the rifle barrel at me I'd think about protecting myself too. You never point a gun at something unless you intend to shoot it. So IMHO shooting the perp with the AK47 was totally justified until I hear other wise from a lawyer familiar with the laws in that State or city.
This just goes to show how vital it is to get proper training in the law in your area before you go out and buy a gun and start pointing the gun at people. someone is likely to be armed and assume that you are going to shoot them and then start shooting back at you.
As for what type of gun was doing the shooting that's really hard to tell. I would not venture to even guess about that. I've heard or read that the AK47 has a distinctive sound but I'm not sure that the guy with the AK47 rifle even fired his gun. I did see the video above and someone in the video said that someone fired at the car as it was leaving the scene.
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Post by moose1am on Jul 26, 2020 19:24:30 GMT -5
I just saw on another web site news release that a bunch or armed black guys are marching in Louisville, KY. That is just asking for trouble.
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Post by freedomhunter on Jul 26, 2020 20:43:53 GMT -5
I just saw on another web site news release that a bunch or armed black guys are marching in Louisville, KY. That is just asking for trouble. But this is how you get rid of trump? Welcome to the fold, <EDIT>, just vote straight ticket Republican and all the bad things will magically go away. The rona, BLM all the lies. And our strength will be restored. Glad you see the light.
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