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Post by ihunt2liv on Oct 18, 2005 1:28:40 GMT -5
Hello, I have had this gun for two years now. I'm still looking for the load that it likes. I would appreciate any suggestions that Knight owners have found for their load combinations. Here's what I have been shooting in the past. 100gr. 777 240gr. Sierra semi-jacketed with Knight sabot. 209 winchester primers I'm just not getting the groups that I want. The gun is scoped with Leupold 4x9 32mm. I've tried different primers and powder loads with loose and pellets. I always shoot off of a bench with shooting bags. This is my third Knight the others were both Legends with the regular ignition system. They always shot good groups. After two years I'm getting frustrated. Also on a side note what's your opinion on a 150gr. load with 777 pellets. You always hear that anything over 90-100gr. won't ignite completely. I can understand this with loose powder but what about the pellets. They have a hole though them. You would think that this would allow for instataneous ignition of the full load as opposed to the loose powder with only a base ignition. I know lots of thoughts and questions but I've got to get this thing dialed in!!! Thanks
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Post by kodiak50 on Oct 18, 2005 2:35:08 GMT -5
Try some 220 gr. Preceision Dead Center bullets and 2 777 pellets,. Works in my Elite
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Oct 19, 2005 17:06:53 GMT -5
ihunt2liv, I have 50 Cal. Knight Disc and have been unlucky with pellets. My brother has the same ML and doesn't like the performance either. I use the 300 Grain Hornady SST sabot in 45 Cal. sitting on top of 100 grains Pyrodex Select. I've gave up looking for better loads since I feel if it ain't broken there no sense in fixing it. This bullet can really put the hammer on deer. I've never had troubles recovering a deer from these. This picture was from a 80 yards on the bench. 1 square equals 1". I also use a 3-9x40 Leupold Vari-X II
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Post by wolfhound on Oct 26, 2005 13:14:00 GMT -5
Some loads you may wish to try that have shot well for me.
90 gr Pyrodex RS 260 gr Knight jacketed bullet 100 gr Pyrodex RS 250 gr Barnes MZ 100 Gr. Prodex 245 Gr. Powerbelt 100 gr Pyrodex Pellets 250 gr Barnes MZ 100 gr FFG Triple Seven 250 gr. Barnes MZ 100 gr. FFG Triple Seven 260 gr Winchester Platinum Tip 100 gr. FFG Triple Seven 250 Gr. Shockwave 70 Gr FFG Triple Seven 444 Gr Pure lead Powerbelt 70 Gr. FFG Triple Seven 295 Gr Powerbelt
I've shot more loads out of Knight Rifles but these are all I can remember offhand. The underlined load is my current load.
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Post by randywakeman on Nov 2, 2005 21:14:09 GMT -5
100 gr FFG Triple Seven 250 gr. Barnes MZ I initially had a real challenge getting my Extreme to group; partly due to the laminate stock. Knight's composite stocks are generally more accurate. A stock change was a big help. The 250 MZ-Expanders did about the best for me-- the boys at Knight are now raving about the Barnes 285 gr. Spitfires, but I have not shot them out of any Knights yet.
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Post by Trex on Dec 8, 2005 21:42:14 GMT -5
I shoot a Knight DISC rifle with a Simmons 3x9 scope. I get 1.5 inch 100 yd groups with 300 grain Hornady sabotted XTP bullets on top of two 50 grain Pyrodex pellets. It has fired this group since I purchased it five years ago.
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Post by greenhunter111 on Jan 4, 2006 22:06:05 GMT -5
My rifle likes 110 grains of Pyrodex Select and a 250 gr. Barnes MZ bullet with Black sabot I also sometimes use 250 grain Noslers with the same powder charge. Next spring I'm going to try .475 cal Barnes bullets with light blue sabots and see how they perform.
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Post by dlawrence on Jan 4, 2006 23:41:18 GMT -5
Try 90 grains of powder with a 300 grain bullet. That's what I shoot out of a Knight Bighorn.
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Post by indianahick on Feb 25, 2006 0:45:05 GMT -5
My knight DE detests 777. Tried it on a range for one day and it was all over the place. Dropped in 150 pyrodex pellets, 300 Hornaday xp in 45 cal and went back to dead on in one shot. Try pyrodex and then work up your load. I use 150 and 300 because I like to punch thru. I have a friend that uses 100 grms and shoots 44's in 240 and does not get pass thru and small entry. Which means lousy blood trails and hard trailing.
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Post by wolfhound on Feb 25, 2006 10:58:34 GMT -5
My knight DE detests 777. Tried it on a range for one day and it was all over the place. Dropped in 150 pyrodex pellets, 300 Hornaday xp in 45 cal and went back to dead on in one shot. Try pyrodex and then work up your load. I use 150 and 300 because I like to punch thru. I have a friend that uses 100 grms and shoots 44's in 240 and does not get pass thru and small entry. Which means lousy blood trails and hard trailing. Were you using Triple Seven pellets? If so, that would explain it. I've never had good results with the pellets. Now loose powder on the other hand... ;D
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Post by indianahick on Feb 25, 2006 17:05:46 GMT -5
Nope loose powder. Measured out 110 grms which is what was recommended on bottle as a maximum load. The worst part of it was that it simply shot like 8 inches low. I expected it to shoot maybe an inch or so lower than my 150 pyrodex but 8. No thanks back to pyrodex.
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Post by wolfhound on Feb 25, 2006 19:55:43 GMT -5
What was the chrony readings? Something's not right there. 150 gr of loose Pyrodex would be a little faster than 110 loose 777 but not that much. Actually Knight allows 120 gr of loose powder, but the customer service folks will tell you 130-135 gr. will actually burn. They allow 150 if you use their gimmick plug. 130 gr. 777 is equivelent to 150 gr. of Pyrodex loose. If your comparing 150 gr pellets to 110 gr loose 777 there's your problem there. If so, that's not exactly a fair test.
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Post by indianahick on Feb 25, 2006 23:29:51 GMT -5
Chronagraph readings?? Sorry but I do not own one or can even come close to owning one. I am on a fixed income. 777 was loose. Pyrodex is pellets, 150 grm. Bullet was the same though and so was the distance; 75 yrds.
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Post by wolfhound on Feb 26, 2006 7:46:49 GMT -5
I was wondering. That wasn't a fair test. Buy you a pound of loose Pyrodex RS and shoot 110 gr of it. You'll get even worse drop than you did with Triple seven. Pellets burn totally different than loose powder. Comparing them to powder is like comparing apples and oranges.
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Post by indianahick on Feb 27, 2006 16:49:04 GMT -5
Fair test? Hmm. Might have tried the 777 pellets if they had not cost so much. Cost after all is part of the equation. I may give the pellets a try this year, later in the year though. I do know that there seemed to be a hesitation between when the primer fired and when the gun fired. Had it been the first shot I might have wondered about maybe having some oil in the primer hole. But i had shot one pyrodex load to check where the gun was hitting, as a refernce point. I do not remember there being that much of a difference when going from black powder to the pyrodex. Well discounting the smell, cleanup and ease of use.
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Post by wolfhound on Feb 27, 2006 18:05:01 GMT -5
That's because Pyrodex and Blackpowder are roughly equal in power. Triple Seven (loose) is roughly 15-20% hotter than Pyrodex/Black Powder (loose) depending on who you ask.
Triple Seven is harder to ignite than pyrodex.
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Post by indianahick on Feb 28, 2006 0:15:48 GMT -5
The 20% hotter I had heard and read about. The slower ignition I had not heard about. Guess that is why there seemed to be a delay in the firing. But I was figuring that by using 150 pyro and pushing a 300 grm projectile it would come out to 1 to 2 and at 20% with a load of 110grms pushing 300 with a add of 22grms that would compute to 132 in to 300. Which with out carrying out the math to far just a tad over 2.27 which should have more or less have led to a drop of 3 inches at most. A drop of 8 to 10 inches was unacceptable. While not totally scientific it does work reasonably well when you do not have all of the scientific equipment that would calibrate all kinds of stuff for you. Heck I am a deer hunter and want to hit in a 3 inch target at 75 yards and make a clean kill. With as little tracking as I can. If I shot targets in competition then maybe I would worry about being more scientific.
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Post by ourway77 on Mar 3, 2006 8:38:36 GMT -5
If you go to HP muzzleloadings sight you will find a conversion table, for weighing powder as opposed to just using a powder measure. I have been weighing 777 100 grains according to the chart and have noticed improved accuracy over drop loading you might want to try this. Just a suggestion. I have shot the conversion for 100 grs. 777 and I have noticed an improvement in accuracy, more consistent groups less flyers.
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Post by indianahick on Mar 3, 2006 20:25:49 GMT -5
I am sorry but what does HP stand for? I am pretty sure that it is not Hewlet-Packard. Hogkin Powder?
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Post by hunter480 on Mar 12, 2006 22:05:43 GMT -5
Don`t know if you`re aware of this or not; but if you can`t get your Knight to group well, you have the option of shipping it to Knight and they`ll work up a load for you. In my Disc Extreme I`m shooting 150 grains loose 777, pushing a Knight (Barnes) Red Hot 250 grain bullet. And yeah, I`m not embarrassed, I had them do it for me after I tried unsuccessfully several outings to get the thing to group.
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