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Post by jdmiller on Aug 16, 2005 14:43:42 GMT -5
I was reading Doug/Va post on shooting Bear Razorhead and got me thinking about broadheads a little . When I got involved with crossbows I tried using the same head I used with my vertical bow . I was using a Savora Contender 100gr. fixed blade . They shot perfect out of my Mathews Legacy but it was nothing I could do to get the same results with my crossbow . I guess I narrowed it down to the "front of center" was out of wack on the shorter bolt . I done a little research on the Excalibur site and tried Wasp Hammer SST 125gr. ... they flew perfect .
I know we have a few new to crossbows checking this site out and they may need the same information I did . That being said .... Whats your favorite broadhead and bolt setup for whitetails ?
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 16, 2005 15:04:02 GMT -5
For the Excalibur Exomag..
I've got some old cut down 2213s from my 3D vertical days and they shoot fine with Wasp SST Hammers.
With the 100 grain head I believe they weigh in at 385 grains +/- a few grains.
I've also have some Gold Tip Laser IIs for that bow and they weigh in at 355 grains +/- a few grains.
I normally shoot the carbons as they are faster, fly well and are almost indestructible.
For my TenPoint QX4 ...
I have some 2219s and they shoot fine with Wasp SST Hammers.
With the 100 grain head I believe they weigh in at 425 grains +/- a few grains.
I've also have some TenPoint Pro Elite carbons for that bow and they weigh in at 420 grains +/- a few grains.
I normally shoot the carbons with the TenPoint too..
I do need to get another half dozen of the Pro Elites.
All the arrow and bow combinations generates some very serious KE..
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Post by John on Aug 16, 2005 16:17:18 GMT -5
I keep my hunting bolts all around the same, 400 gr. total mark. Using carbon express and gold tip laser 11 bolts with brass inserts up front , 4 1/4 feathers to 5 in .feathers keeps everything around 400 gr. point this is with 100 gr .broadheads inc. I use these for Bear and Deer. Extremely effective weight. This is shooting out of a Crossbow (Excal.) at about 310 fps. give or take. I would rather have the extra weight than the faster 10 fps. or so with a 350 gr. bolt combo.
John
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Post by jdmiller on Aug 16, 2005 16:32:01 GMT -5
I guess I'm a little on the heavy side for whitetail but I 'm shooting what came with my crossbow package . Super Carbon Magnum Bolt : 20" : 125 gr. broadhead with a total weight of 426 gr. So far I really like these bolts .... awsome penetration .
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Post by bigugly on Aug 16, 2005 21:11:03 GMT -5
With my xbow the wasp hammer sst 100's work great very accurate. I have them on 2216's. Never tried any other broadheads as I'm so impressed with these.
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Post by Doug/Va on Aug 16, 2005 21:28:06 GMT -5
Horton recommends a 100-grain broad head and I love a cut on impact head. I simply don't like any broad head with the little point and razer blade inserts. For the ones who do, try this test. Get a scrap piece of leather and have both kind of broad heads sharp. See how much force it takes to push the razer blade broad head through the leather, THEN try a broad head like the bear razor head. ;D
I am shooting a 20-inch 2216 shaft with 4 1/2 inch feathers and the 100 bear razor head light, 150-pound draw weight, 11 3/4 inch power stroke. They can also be purchased in 125 grain for the ones who need the extra weight to balance the bolt.
Also if you want to cut down on weight go to feathers-they shoot better anyway. If you re-load ammo and have a powder scale weigh one plastic vane and see what it weighs. I'll bet you ONE vane will weigh as much or almost as much as 3 feathers of the same size!
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Post by John on Aug 17, 2005 9:28:30 GMT -5
jdmiller:
425 gr, or so is very good for Deer and Bear, with good speed they will have excellent penetration. Very good for Bear. I dont consider that on the heavy side yet. However at higher weights your scope or sights will have to be compensated for the drop factor. If you do all your practicing with the same weight bolt head combo this wont be a problem.
John
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Post by Tye on Aug 17, 2005 14:58:30 GMT -5
Well, I shoot an Excalibur Pheonix, and I shoot Easton XX75 2219's right now with 100gr Wasp Boss broadheads.
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Post by John on Aug 17, 2005 17:21:59 GMT -5
An excellent choice Tye. As you know thats all I use is WASP BOSS with my crossbows.
And by the way I have the four Blade model this year in 100 gr. Coming with me to Bear hunt tommorow.
John
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Post by Tye on Aug 17, 2005 20:58:03 GMT -5
Oh yeah John, I meant to ask you. How are the 4 blade heads?
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Post by digger on Aug 18, 2005 0:06:53 GMT -5
I use an Excalibur Paradox, 20 " Gold Tips with 75gr brass inserts, 100gr 4 bladed Slick Tricks 425 gr total.
Digger
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Post by jdmiller on Aug 18, 2005 10:57:36 GMT -5
Horton recommends a 100-grain broad head and I love a cut on impact head. I simply don't like any broad head with the little point and razer blade inserts. For the ones who do, try this test. Get a scrap piece of leather and have both kind of broad heads sharp. See how much force it takes to push the razer blade broad head through the leather, THEN try a broad head like the bear razor head. ;D I am shooting a 20-inch 2216 shaft with 4 1/2 inch feathers and the 100 bear razor head light, 150-pound draw weight, 11 3/4 inch power stroke. They can also be purchased in 125 grain for the ones who need the extra weight to balance the bolt. Also if you want to cut down on weight go to feathers-they shoot better anyway. If you re-load ammo and have a powder scale weigh one plastic vane and see what it weighs. I'll bet you ONE vane will weigh as much or almost as much as 3 feathers of the same size! Doug : I have always preferred feathers . When I was trying to get the bugs worked out with my set-up , I refletched my bolts with 5" feathers and set my Bitzenberger to the least amount of right helical . They shoot great . Seemed like the Norway vanes that were on the bolts might be getting a little more contact with the rail and kicking it off slightly . Feathers being more forgiving corrected the problem apparently even though they had a little more offset . Inturn tightening my fixed-blade broadhead groups quite a bit . I know a lot of guys dont like feathers because of the problems that arrise when they get wet . I've used a Bohnning waterproofing powder for years . It works real good and in fact I've had complete pass throughs on deer and the feathers were still standing up . I usually treat mine a few times a year with a artist brush and gently applying powder . |
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Post by jdmiller on Aug 18, 2005 11:34:05 GMT -5
jdmiller: 425 gr, or so is very good for Deer and Bear, with good speed they will have excellent penetration. Very good for Bear. I dont consider that on the heavy side yet. However at higher weights your scope or sights will have to be compensated for the drop factor. If you do all your practicing with the same weight bolt head combo this wont be a problem. John John : I've kept tweeking and the point of impact between field points and broadheads (both 125gr.) are hitting very close to the same spot . I shoot a Parker with a Symmons single red dot . I've zeroed at exactly 30 yds with 20yds and 10 yds being about 1 1/2" inches high . At 40yds its a different story and off the bench its shooting about 6" inches low . I used to shoot one pin with compounds and I dont have a problem with compensating a little . Overall I would have to have the right condition to risk a shot at 40 yds . I have always imposed about a 25 yd. limit on shots with all my other archery tackle and really dont see a difference with my crossbows . We have mostly oak ridges and our stands dont offer the oppertunity for much further shots . As far as bear ... I was supposed to be on a bear hunt around Kenora , Ontario at High Winds Lake lodge in a few weeks . I had that planned at the first of the year to try to hunt with my compound . But family obligations and I was having trouble with my draw arm ...I backed out for this year . This was before I got interested in crossbows and realized I had another option . So.... I wish you luck bear hunting and shoot one for me while your at it . |
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Post by John on Aug 18, 2005 14:33:04 GMT -5
jdmiller:
Sounds like your doing exactly what your supposed to. I would never take a shot past 30 yd,+- either. And a 425 to 450 gr, bolt wont be affected to much at that range. However remember that a 450 gr. bolt at 300 fps. or so is a lot of K.E. Bone crunching power.
Thanks for the luck, I leave tonight.
John
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Post by Doug/Va on Aug 18, 2005 17:49:24 GMT -5
jdmiller, I always use feathers period. Plastic vanes are OK with practice points but when you add a broadhead some vertical bows go crazy. I also like a little "twist" to the feathers too, about 1 degree does the job.  Also like I said weigh one plastic 5 inch vane for instance then weigh a 5 inch feather. and see how much the difference in weight it is. |
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Post by cday on Aug 19, 2005 17:07:50 GMT -5
My arrows are 2219 with 5 inch feathers tipped with 100 grain cut on contact Magnus broadheads. Myself I have found feathers to be far better than vanes during pratice. Plus unless you just went a major down pour a normal rain is not going to greatly effect the arrow during flight.
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Post by jajwrigh on Aug 19, 2005 21:01:04 GMT -5
Woody-
Which crossbow do you like better? You have two incredible crossbows...
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 19, 2005 21:21:13 GMT -5
Woody- Which crossbow do you like better? You have two incredible crossbows... Tough question.. Since I just got it, I haven't hunted with the TenPoint yet.. Right now I am shooting The TenPoint more in the backyard. It's new and is easier to cock. BOTH are very accurate and smooth shooters.. It's a toss up... |
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